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Triggering, but would we get warning if there was a Nuclear attack?

219 replies

shineanight · 09/03/2023 07:19

Or would we not?

I thought there was about 5-6 minutes I'm sure I read somewhere, from when officials know it'll happen to when it hits

Would we be warned via breaking news? Or would everyone just lose control, including news reporters, and make a run for it in blind panic?

Always wondered. Completely hypothetical obviously as almost 0 change of ever happening

OP posts:
JunkinDonuts · 09/03/2023 10:06

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:04

“Stay the fuck at home!” would be furiously copied and pasted again on every thread on mumsnet.

Why are you going out, spreading radiation op?
It's because of people like you spreading it that's responsible for killing grannies!

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 09/03/2023 10:07

WandaWonder · 09/03/2023 10:05

So using the word triggering lessens it?

It may prevent some people reading it. I haven’t a clue. I’m not ‘triggered’. I think the OP wanted to be kind and try to do the right thing. I really don’t think it needs a deep level of analysis or for people to be pedantic.

JunkinDonuts · 09/03/2023 10:08

WiIson · 09/03/2023 10:05

What difference would a 4 minute warning make anyway.

It gives you time to get a bottle of wine down your neck.

WiIson · 09/03/2023 10:08

NotQuiteUsual · 09/03/2023 09:37

I have spent a bit of time thinking about it. I'd close the blinds in the classroom. Get the biscuits and juice out. Let the kids mix the playdough up and let them use the messy stuff in the home corner for once. Indulge the kids that still like hugs and being carried. Just have a few lovely and joyful minutes with them. I think that's most school staffs plan. I hope my kids teachers would do the same!

♥️

HMTheQueenMuffin · 09/03/2023 10:08

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 09/03/2023 08:59

This. My children’s school is over 10 miles away. I’d be beside myself

Same. I was oddly enough thinking of this and the book Z for Zachariah last night.

I am not sure I would want to survive- but would desperately hope it happened on a weekend or else another time when my DCs were with me.

WiIson · 09/03/2023 10:09

JunkinDonuts · 09/03/2023 10:08

It gives you time to get a bottle of wine down your neck.

It would take me that long to wrestle the cork out 😂

JunkinDonuts · 09/03/2023 10:09

FourTeaFallOut · 09/03/2023 10:05

Hotter than Jamaica today!!

😂😂

HMTheQueenMuffin · 09/03/2023 10:09

Anyway- it is good when OPs put triggering in the title IMO. It gives people advance warning and they can decide to not open the thread.

Quisquam · 09/03/2023 10:10

The only people who survive are those in locations far enough from the blast when it hits and who are not contaminated afterwards by the radioactive fallout carried by the wind.

A friend, who worked in civil defence told us, it’s assumed every major city would be hit, and the only safe place is somewhere in Wales - but if all the rest of the infrastructure and population in the UK is destroyed (presumably Scotland would be targeted for the nuclear submarine base), then there’s the wind; how would they survive long term? No point worrying about it!

JunkinDonuts · 09/03/2023 10:11

WiIson · 09/03/2023 10:09

It would take me that long to wrestle the cork out 😂

Knowing my luck, I wouldn't even be able to find the bloody corkscrew!

HMTheQueenMuffin · 09/03/2023 10:13

Gus!! Screwtops!

(although it takes 6 minutes for the relaxing affects of alcohol to hit the brain so probably no point.... although I'd still give it a go)

HelloCanYouHearMe · 09/03/2023 10:13

Appalonia · 09/03/2023 08:02

In the early eighties, I had recently moved out of my parents house and was renting with friends in a terraced house in the Midlands. One morning at 6am I was woken up by the sound of the air raid siren! Both my flatmates were away so I was on my own. I had no idea what to do and this was well before the days of mobile phones or Twitter. I was terrified.

Eventually it stopped and thankfully no bombs were dropped but it was a very surreal experience. Many years later I found out it had been set off by accident, someone must have had egg on their face that day!

Coventry by any chance @Appalonia ?

My mum swears blind she was also woken by the siren going off but can't find anyone to back up her claim!

bellswithwhistles · 09/03/2023 10:13

www.atomica.co.uk/main.htm

Ok so now I am thinking about it!!!

This booklet - omg ! How on earth can you build a 'room' to live in and get in your entire family/pets/toilet?!

HMTheQueenMuffin · 09/03/2023 10:13

*Guys!! That was

WinterMusings · 09/03/2023 10:14

EmptyPlaces · 09/03/2023 07:29

A warning would be useless anyway. The power of them today means that if one hit Paris, the UK would be mostly wiped out in a nuclear winter. I’d rather just take a direct hit and be vaporised immediately.

Me too

A warning would just be several minutes of sheer terror & panic. If loved ones weren't home they couldn't get home in time, and really if you're going to be killed it makes little difference anyway.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 09/03/2023 10:15

Jumbo, vastly overpowered weapons, like the 50MT Tsar Bomba were invented & tested before there were precise, GPS guided missile navigation systems. Nukes were designed to be physically dropped by plane (like the Tsar test), and were big because you couldn’t guarantee if they’d get their target, so bigger boom = more chance you’d obliterate your intended target.

Unfortunately, a lot of maps in the mainstream press use sites like NukeMap, where you can choose your yield and it up to the Tsar Bomba size (or above to the original 100MT Tsar Bomba yield, the Russians ‘dialed back’ to 50MT on the test bomb) because it makes for a more impressive map to scaremonger the public! There were 2 Tsars made, one went boom & one’s in a museum (minus the boom-y bit, obviously).

Modern weapons are smaller, in the kiloton to single digit megaton range. Satellite navigation & modern guidance systems mean you can hit the target with a greater guarantee, and since each weapon costs bloody millions to design, maintain, produce the plutonium fission component (which sets off the fusion, or thermonuclear bigger bang), keep replacing the fusion core due to the short half life of the isotopes you need, storage, submarine costs (all UK Trident nukes are on the V series of subs, we don’t deploy via air or land based missile), security… why make them bigger than you need?

Since Russia (and the UK, US, possibly France) deploy using subs as part of their defence, there’s a chance we won’t even get that 4 minutes. Combatant subs in the North Sea, the missiles would be over target before the bods at RAF Fylingdales (our detection dudes) have put the kettle on.

As PPs have said before, it all depends on air bursts or ground bursts (generally ground = fallout), weapon yield, area of detonation. If you had food, water, good shelter, and each nuke was an air burst, there’s a good chance if you aren’t in the blast overpressure & firestorm range then you’d be grand, could come out of your shelter after a couple of weeks, safe & alive.

But the real question you need to ask, would you want to?

In terms of a nuclear winter, a worldwide detonation of everyone’s stockpiles would cause a nuke winter, and that would probably be goodnight humanity. There have been thousands of nukes exploded in the names of weapons testing since 1945. Not defending any of the tests, nor stockpiles. but it’s worth knowing the facts. North Korea are happily testing the bloody things even now.

As for me, sod all that survival stuff. Years spend researching & studying (and campaigning against) the bloody things, if I survived I would probably envy the dead. I don’t know if that’s because I’m now a 50 year old fart with adult kids, or I know it’d be all so bloody bleak. I’d rather sit on the roof with a joint, a whiskey, and let it be the last thing I see as my eyeballs melt & I’m blown into the wind.

I’m a Nuke Nerd. Make power, not bombs!

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:16

HMTheQueenMuffin · 09/03/2023 10:13

Gus!! Screwtops!

(although it takes 6 minutes for the relaxing affects of alcohol to hit the brain so probably no point.... although I'd still give it a go)

Neat vodka would hit faster. I’ve got a bottle at the back of the cupboard somewhere, I’ll be grand.

TomatoSandwiches · 09/03/2023 10:22

bussteward · 09/03/2023 08:42

Fondly recalling my eccentric uncle telling me he used to carry a knife with him so in the event of a nuclear warning, he could mercy slaughter all the kids to spare them a slow, horrible death in a nuclear fallout 🥰

Jesus Christ 😂

HMTheQueenMuffin · 09/03/2023 10:22

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:16

Neat vodka would hit faster. I’ve got a bottle at the back of the cupboard somewhere, I’ll be grand.

Vodka-- good to know! I have some somewhere (for testing purposes of course!0

MeinKraft · 09/03/2023 10:27

NotQuiteUsual · 09/03/2023 09:37

I have spent a bit of time thinking about it. I'd close the blinds in the classroom. Get the biscuits and juice out. Let the kids mix the playdough up and let them use the messy stuff in the home corner for once. Indulge the kids that still like hugs and being carried. Just have a few lovely and joyful minutes with them. I think that's most school staffs plan. I hope my kids teachers would do the same!

This is why teachers are the best 😭

NotInTheKnowIKnow · 09/03/2023 10:28

stbrandonsboat · 09/03/2023 07:39

Don't worry about things that you have no control over.

Putin is a pathetic disaster, he has more to worry about than we do. He's wrecked his country and everyone hates him. A tinpot dictator with rusty nukes 😂

👍👍👍

Leftbutcameback · 09/03/2023 10:28

DogInATent · 09/03/2023 09:28

It depends on the circumstances.

You can go to somewhere like Kelvedon Hatch and see the arrangements that were in place in the '70s and '80s for the scenarios and circumstances that were envisioned then. But things have changed a lot since then, and you have to consider what type of nuclear attack, attacked by whom, etc. Intercontinental missiles can be detected at launch and take time to arrive (and allow time for retaliation). But a dirty bomb detonated by a terrorist organisation from a shipping container will come without warning.

The UK has a modern emergency alert system in place (see here). The Government has powers to take control the broadcast content in times of National Emergency - but this could take time, and the text/mobile alert system would alert more people and more quickly than radio/TV broadcasts.

Most rooftop sirens (the traditional air raid and flood alert type) have been decommissioned or are unmaintained. If they sounded they'd cause more WTF? confusion than anything else.

As PP have mentioned, there's very little the public could do given a warning. It would take me longer than 4 minutes to get to the nearest Cold War era shelter even without a panic on the streets - and that was decommissioned a long time ago so has no water, food, power, or furniture.

The emergency alert system isn’t quite live yet (the welcome message hasn’t been sent), but maybe soon although for limited hazards. However this thread did make me ask myself whether if there was a nuclear attack they would just use it anyway.

Murraydeservedit · 09/03/2023 10:29

In terms of wanting to survive, no I wouldn’t want to.

My dad was in the air force in the 1950s when the nuclear tests were being carried out on the Marshall Islands. He was an aerial photographer and put his name down repeatedly to be chosen to go.

He was said at the time he was so pissed off that he never got chosen to go, he was young and wanted the experience of living and working out there for a couple of years.

He was never chosen and thank christ. A lot of the people who were chosen suffered terrible effects, cancers and suchlike.

IncognitoBirthday · 09/03/2023 10:32

NotQuiteUsual · 09/03/2023 09:37

I have spent a bit of time thinking about it. I'd close the blinds in the classroom. Get the biscuits and juice out. Let the kids mix the playdough up and let them use the messy stuff in the home corner for once. Indulge the kids that still like hugs and being carried. Just have a few lovely and joyful minutes with them. I think that's most school staffs plan. I hope my kids teachers would do the same!

🥺🧡

Seasonofthewitch83 · 09/03/2023 10:33

Branster · 09/03/2023 07:27

No idea but why would this question be in any way 'triggering'???

The threat of nuclear attack is upsetting for many people - when the war in Ukraine began last year there were threads almost daily. I was having frequent nightmares and panicking every time I left DD to travel into London. Its a very upsetting thought?

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