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Thread 21. Sunak. How many more will be deserting the sinking ship?

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Roussette · 08/03/2023 09:10

Here we go. Previous thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4735780-thread-21-sunak-return-of-the-numpties?page=20&reply=124466839

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L1ttledrummergirl · 16/03/2023 09:19

Well done those people. It's a shame the government won't listen, they are like toddlers who think they know it all and any help to aid in their understanding is met with a tantrum.

IClaudine · 16/03/2023 10:14

mibbelucieachwell · 16/03/2023 09:10

Wow - that demo is huge.
Tb 'fair' the Beeb is thoroughly impartial in its coverage of strikes consistently underestimating the number of participants.

DH , not a money expert admittedly, reckons consultants could now be incentivised to stop working earlier as they could put a bigger proportion of their salaries into the pension pot without penalty.

That is interesting.

Labour says it will reverse the decision if it wins the next GE. It is also trying to force a commons vote on it.

AdamRyan · 16/03/2023 10:15

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 15/03/2023 18:08

This issue is as much about the jobs those people will be doing as it is the numbers, so he's telling barely half a story there.

If those 15,000 people were going to retire at 55 as they couldn't put more into pension (so it paid to retire) - how much income tax would they return over an extra 10 years of work?

I think quite a lot of professions suffer from workers retiring early because they've maxed out their pension, taking their accumulated knowledge and skills with them. I have friends and relatives who have done exactly that (civil service/doctors/police)

It might make economic sense as well as help retain workers.

mibbelucieachwell · 16/03/2023 10:35

Didn't the government organise something for judges' pensions? That they could extend to consultants? So, benefitting the NHS and saving the treasury some £££s.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 16/03/2023 10:46

mibbelucieachwell · 16/03/2023 10:35

Didn't the government organise something for judges' pensions? That they could extend to consultants? So, benefitting the NHS and saving the treasury some £££s.

People were saying on the other threads that it was to do with that scheme being unregistered, which was possible as it was such a small group, but this wouldn't necessarily be workable with a massive pension scheme like the NHS one. But I was today years old when I found out about this, so if someone who knows more than I do says that's incorrect then they're almost certainly right.

Cornettoninja · 16/03/2023 15:43

Ladies and gentleman… thirteen years of free range Tories…

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/16/hostile-authoritarian-uk-downgraded-in-civic-freedoms-index

DuncinToffee · 16/03/2023 15:50

Government finally sat down for talks with the NHS

The deal is done

The government and NHS have issued a joint statement saying that they have 'completed negotiations and reached a final offer'

It includes one-off pay for 2022/23 and a pay rise for 2023/24

Both sides think it is 'fair and reasonable - over to the members

DuncinToffee · 16/03/2023 15:54

Cornettoninja · 16/03/2023 15:43

The UK’s willingness to clamp down on civic freedoms such as the right to peaceful assembly means it is now classified as “obstructed” – putting it alongside countries such as Poland, South Africa and Hungary

You never get whataboutery about those countries.

Notonthestairs · 16/03/2023 18:42

DuncinToffee · 16/03/2023 15:50

Government finally sat down for talks with the NHS

The deal is done

The government and NHS have issued a joint statement saying that they have 'completed negotiations and reached a final offer'

It includes one-off pay for 2022/23 and a pay rise for 2023/24

Both sides think it is 'fair and reasonable - over to the members

Oh good news potentially. Is this extra funding or shaved off other budgets do we know?

Notonthestairs · 16/03/2023 18:42

Heaven only knows why they've strung it out this long.

Notonthestairs · 16/03/2023 18:47

Downing Street has confirmed next Wednesday's vote on Rishi Sunak's Brexit deal will be treated as THE vote on the deal.

DUP and ERG yet to deliver their verdicts on the deal.

No10 pushing ahead regardless, arguing 3 weeks is enough time for MPs to consider the deal.

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1636344854392324097?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Same time & date as Johnson's meeting with Privileges Committee. Attempt to get Johnson off the front pages or just coincidence?

tobee · 17/03/2023 00:50

Notonthestairs · 16/03/2023 18:47

Downing Street has confirmed next Wednesday's vote on Rishi Sunak's Brexit deal will be treated as THE vote on the deal.

DUP and ERG yet to deliver their verdicts on the deal.

No10 pushing ahead regardless, arguing 3 weeks is enough time for MPs to consider the deal.

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1636344854392324097?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Same time & date as Johnson's meeting with Privileges Committee. Attempt to get Johnson off the front pages or just coincidence?

Hmm, so hard to know where to put my money on that question. Hmm

I see the aforementioned Boris Johnson has been re adopted as Conservative candidate for his current constituency of Uxbridge. South Ruislip

Blossomtoes · 17/03/2023 08:19

More bollocks.

A Tory source said: “The pensions cap is pushing doctors, head teachers, air traffic controllers and top brass in the Armed Forces into early retirement.

Armed forces pensions are non contributory.

Notonthestairs · 17/03/2023 08:30

Braverman is hunting headlines. So she's taking her close friends with her to Rwanda.

The home secretary will be departing for Kigali on Friday evening, accompanied by media representatives from outlets including GB News, the Daily Mail, Times, Express and Telegraph

The BBC, The Independent, The Guardian, Daily Mirror and i were not invited

twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1636470677829025797?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Worth flicking through the v short thread 🧵

Notonthestairs · 17/03/2023 08:38

Naga Munchetty - Where has the extra money come from for a 5% pay rise for the NHS, when the government said they were only going to offer 3.5%?

Dominic Raab - "The money will come from the NHS budget.."

#BBCBreakfast

twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1636638426865729536?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

So is that confirmation that cuts will be made elsewhere?

Blossomtoes · 17/03/2023 08:40

I wouldn’t trust Raab to get it right. The NHS has made it clear from the off that it will need more money for pay rises.

Rosula · 17/03/2023 09:16

Notonthestairs · 17/03/2023 08:38

Naga Munchetty - Where has the extra money come from for a 5% pay rise for the NHS, when the government said they were only going to offer 3.5%?

Dominic Raab - "The money will come from the NHS budget.."

#BBCBreakfast

twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1636638426865729536?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

So is that confirmation that cuts will be made elsewhere?

Almost certainly. It's exactly the line they've taken with schools. It's clearly their spiffy new idea - take all the credit for settling the strikes whilst keeping schtumm about the fact that it's going to mean job losses and poorer services because they won't be paying for it.

Cornettoninja · 17/03/2023 10:01

Sounds like the Tory MO. Shift money around in the existing budget so the general public turn on the staff when they see further declines in service but they’ll get to hold up their hands and declare ‘not me guv’. Shit stirring basically.

Notonthestairs · 17/03/2023 11:01

Exclusive: ‘Shameful’ £500m cut to workforce and reform budgets
hsj.co.uk/finance-and-ef…

twitter.com/davewwest/status/1636625748285964288?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Oh for goodness sakes.
Announce funding, wait and then slice it.

Notonthestairs · 17/03/2023 11:03

Social care is one of the best ways to relieve pressure on our hospitals - and yet not a high enough priority to warrant the funding they know it deserves.

jgw1 · 17/03/2023 11:37

Notonthestairs · 17/03/2023 08:30

Braverman is hunting headlines. So she's taking her close friends with her to Rwanda.

The home secretary will be departing for Kigali on Friday evening, accompanied by media representatives from outlets including GB News, the Daily Mail, Times, Express and Telegraph

The BBC, The Independent, The Guardian, Daily Mirror and i were not invited

twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1636470677829025797?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Worth flicking through the v short thread 🧵

I understand we are paying a lot of money for flights to Rwanda and for accomodation there. It is nice to here they are going to be used. Do we know how many years she is going for?

mibbelucieachwell · 17/03/2023 12:10

@jgw1 😆😆

jgw1 · 17/03/2023 12:14

mibbelucieachwell · 17/03/2023 12:10

@jgw1 😆😆

I firmly believe that it is important for leaders to set an example, and think it is lovely that the Braverman is going to do this, to show us all how lucky people will be to be sent to Rwanda.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 17/03/2023 12:27

tobee · 17/03/2023 00:50

Hmm, so hard to know where to put my money on that question. Hmm

I see the aforementioned Boris Johnson has been re adopted as Conservative candidate for his current constituency of Uxbridge. South Ruislip

Snort. But if he survives this and seeks reelection, he'll be trying to worm himself in somewhere safer.

Roussette · 17/03/2023 12:32

news.sky.com/story/senior-tory-mp-steve-brine-under-investigation-over-lobbying-claims-12836089

And another one.

Tory MP caught out lobbying for a firm he works for. Surprise surprise.

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