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Tenants making viewings difficult

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areweonabreak · 03/03/2023 14:23

We have a flat that we rent out. It was my DH’s flat before we met. It’s been rented out for 10 years now (by only 2 tenants) but we’re now in a position where our own house needs a lot of money spending on it and we want to free up some capital.

we do feel bad for the current tenant, we offered them first refusal to buy the flat (it’s on the market for £90k) but they cannot afford it (even though a mortgage would probably be cheaper than the rent but they’d another thread)

we’ve had a few viewings now but all the feedback is that the tenants have told them that they don’t want to move so they’re put off as they don’t want the hassle.

we live about a 40 minute drive away from the flat so the agents are sorting out all of the viewings. The agents have suggested that it might be easier to sell if it’s empty.

We’re really not sure what to do, they’re on a rolling monthly contract at the moment.

has anyone else been in this position before?

would anyone else recommend selling as a vacant property?

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:27

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 04/03/2023 15:12

No. But like many things, if you have the option to make things more secure for yourselves that’s what they would suggest.

It’s amazing the hoops that people are jumping through on this thread to imply that people are meaning one thing when that’s not actually what they’ve said.
The Op has had it tenfold.

Yep, including the comment about the tenants probably finding a mortgage cheaper than renting - was meant as a criticism of the system, and that’s the way I read it. Not so, some people - implying it was some sort of slur on the tenants when it wasn’t meant as anything of the sort.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:28

AllDayBreakfast92 · 04/03/2023 15:26

But why focus on this and ignore the many other things people do like not buying from sustainable sources etc?

A couple having a cheap property they rent out isn't particularly high on the wealthy fatcat scale. They can't be that rich if they need to sell it to buy.

Stop with the jealousy.

I'm not jealous - I am happy with the house I own and live in.

I feel depressed when I read about young people stuck in the rent trap - but jealousy doesn't come into it, I have no young people of my own to worry about.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 04/03/2023 15:28

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:26

Total lack of common sense if they haven't made pension provision - what would they have done if the property they inherited had had to be sold to pay care fees for its occupant? Their tenants are paying for their poor planning.

Tenants are paying for a roof over their head.
Go away.
You’re being so rude, and jealous

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:30

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 04/03/2023 15:28

Tenants are paying for a roof over their head.
Go away.
You’re being so rude, and jealous

I have obviously touched a nerve with you somewhere!

Unsure33 · 04/03/2023 15:31

HundredMilesAnHour · 03/03/2023 14:48

Actually no she can't just do as she wishes. She has legal responsibilities to her tenants. One of which is allowing them to have 'quiet enjoyment' of the property she is renting to them. They don't have to allow any viewings at all.

The OP needs to wise up to her responsibilities or she could end up spending a large amount of money and taking a long time to get her property back.

That was not the problem . The viewings were taking place , it was what they said to prospective buyers.. so as they are only on a short rolling contract it seems the owner of the property has no choice but to give them notice .

Dibblydoodahdah · 04/03/2023 15:33

I understood that you were criticising the system not the tenants. There are some really shitty comments on here. Ignore them. The mumsnet hatred against landlords is ridiculous. I would serve notice to evict the tenants. It will make it much easier to sell.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 04/03/2023 15:34

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:30

I have obviously touched a nerve with you somewhere!

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if it makes you happy

christmasgeek · 04/03/2023 15:35

Crikey OP, you've had more than your fair share on this thread haven't you!

Honestly, I would serve notice (assuming you can afford the mortgage / council tax payments etc if it takes a while to sell) and sell it empty.

I know plenty of accidental landlords; usually when a couple have both owned property, then moved into one and then tried (but failed) to sell the other property.

Not all landlords are greedy and heartless, in the same way not all tenants will become awkward and trash the place when they leave, just because they don't want to leave / are exercising their right to quiet enjoyment...

ALotLikeYou · 04/03/2023 15:37

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:30

I have obviously touched a nerve with you somewhere!

You’re coming across as really unpleasant. That does tend to get some people’s backs up.

People would be better to just roll their eyes at posters like this.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 04/03/2023 15:38

Someone mentioned OP that you’d need to pay council tax if property empty.
You can of course get council tax relief.

Some councils offer 6months free, some more. It does vary.

Be aware, long term empty properties will mean a higher ctax charge.
Again varies by council, could be double or triple ( that’s about 3yrs empty ). But councils are reasonable and if a prop is up for sale just keep them informed of what’s going on.

ProbablyDogNappersHunX · 04/03/2023 15:40

Are you advertising the property as having tenants in situ? If not you're attracting people who want to be owner occupiers, not BTL, and so won't be able to exchange until the property is vacant.

Sounds like a mismatch between viewer expectations and reality.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:40

Greenfairydust · 04/03/2023 14:45

''@IkBenDeMol · Today 14:40
Evict them. (And ignore the people who think landlords are the devil incarnate). A stroppy tenant who is making viewings awkward would ring huge alarm bells for me - they probably won't leave, it'll drag on for months, they'll trash the place before leaving.''

Truly tone deaf...

The landlord needs to serve proper notice. They have not even done that yet.

The tenants have done nothing wrong so far. They don't even have to allow viewings legally.

Absolutely abysmal that you suggest tenants by default will refuse to leave or ''trash the place''.

The landlord here is the one who has made the mistake to put the house on the market without making sure it was vacant first, which would have made viewings/sale much easier.

It is purely because they want to continue to get the rent for as long as possible...

Try a bit of common sense.

Well no, it’s not really about getting the rent for as long as possible, as much as being liable for the cost of maintaining it empty until it sells - including council tax if the LA don’t provide a discount.

Throwncrumbs · 04/03/2023 15:41

Evict them, I couldn’t be doing with the hassle of renting any property to anyone

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:43

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 04/03/2023 15:38

Someone mentioned OP that you’d need to pay council tax if property empty.
You can of course get council tax relief.

Some councils offer 6months free, some more. It does vary.

Be aware, long term empty properties will mean a higher ctax charge.
Again varies by council, could be double or triple ( that’s about 3yrs empty ). But councils are reasonable and if a prop is up for sale just keep them informed of what’s going on.

Very relevant. Our council provides a 50% CT discount on unoccupied properties for 6 months, after which full CT is payable. But, if the property is empty for more than two years, a 50% increase in CT is levied - which increases to 300% if it’s still unoccupied in 5 years.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:43

ALotLikeYou · 04/03/2023 15:37

You’re coming across as really unpleasant. That does tend to get some people’s backs up.

People would be better to just roll their eyes at posters like this.

I roll my eyes at people who dismiss any viewpoint other than their own as 'unpleasant'.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:46

Pemba · 04/03/2023 14:45

It's not insanity really. The property market is hardly moving in some areas, and the tenant could be a potential buyer with the incentive to them of already living there, so no move required.

Or give them notice, could be a long drawn out process, and then have the property sitting empty for months, and be forced to keep cutting the price. It all depends on the area of course, but I think most areas will be dropping in price soon if they haven't already.

I think it’s already been established that the tenants couldn’t afford the deposit and meet bank requirements for a mortgage.

ALotLikeYou · 04/03/2023 15:47

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:43

I roll my eyes at people who dismiss any viewpoint other than their own as 'unpleasant'.

Your posted,

Good for them - hope they make it as difficult as possible.

Not really a viewpoint, just pure hatred and spite. Yes, I dismiss people like that.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:50

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 14:25

Good for them - hope they make it as difficult as possible.

What exactly is your problem ?

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:50

ALotLikeYou · 04/03/2023 15:47

Your posted,

Good for them - hope they make it as difficult as possible.

Not really a viewpoint, just pure hatred and spite. Yes, I dismiss people like that.

Hmm, yes, how dare the tenants stick up for themselves against the landlord, and how dare anyone express support for them?

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:51

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:50

What exactly is your problem ?

Property-hoarding is my 'problem'.

FoxInSocksSatOnBlocks · 04/03/2023 15:52

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:51

Property-hoarding is my 'problem'.

Oh honey. Jealousy and bitterness is never a good look.

Blinky21 · 04/03/2023 15:56

Give them notice, its your property, they sound unreasonable

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:57

Whiteroomjoy · 03/03/2023 19:32

Not full rate if it’s vacant.

It will be full CT if the LA doesn’t offer a discount - some do, some don’t, and it will be for a limited time. Our LA levies a 50% increase in CT for properties still vacant after 2 years and 300% after 5 years.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:58

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:51

Property-hoarding is my 'problem'.

No, I think it’s pretty obvious what your real problem is. Bitterness and jealousy.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 04/03/2023 15:59

Rosscameasdoody · 04/03/2023 15:58

No, I think it’s pretty obvious what your real problem is. Bitterness and jealousy.

Of what do you suppose me to be jealous?

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