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Ukraine Invasion: Part 38

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MagicFox · 22/02/2023 15:03

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ 38th thread for information sharing, solidarity and community πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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Igotjelly · 11/03/2023 10:53

I really worry about the psychological trauma being inflicted, so much of which won’t manifest itself until long after the bombs cease to fall. This will be an entire lost generation, much as we saw in the World Wars.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 11/03/2023 10:53

dibly · 11/03/2023 10:26

Thanks Ducks. The psychological stress of this war must be so debilitating, you can see it on Zelensky’s face.

Yes. I worry for him - he's carrying so much weight and it's going to affect him mentally.

Igotjelly · 11/03/2023 10:54

The only upside is that it’s far better understood now than it was on the 1920s-40s, when men suffered in silence.

Zuffe · 11/03/2023 10:56

The publication writes that the US Army and Biden's administration plan to increase production this spring from 14,000 to 30,000 units of 155-mm shells and later (the exact dates need to be specified – note) to 90,000. Also, $80 million was allocated for the modernization and doubling of production of the Javelin ATGM.

According to information I have read elsewhere, this is a monthly rate of production.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 11/03/2023 11:01

last lot of snippets:

Live: Ukraine Telegram

Turkish President Recep Erdoğan has officially announced May 14 as the day of presidential and parliamentary elections.

The US believes that people with ties to Russian intelligence are behind the protests in Moldova, their goal is to overthrow the pro-European government and install a pro-Russian government - CNN.

Children from Mariupol are taught to pilot kamikaze drones and drop bombs on residential buildings.

CNN journalists obtained customs documents showing that in 2022, China continued to ship parts for Russian helicopters, including military ones, to a company in Russia that is under US sanctions for its involvement in the war against Ukraine.

The pro-Russian party of Slovakia's former prime minister leads in polls for the first time in more than two years
In recent months, the Smer-SD party has resorted to harsher rhetoric toward the EU and Ukraine. Not long ago, Fico said that the war in Ukraine in 2014 was started by "Ukrainian fascists" and that it is impossible to return the annexed Crimea.

Italian government is organizing a conference on April 26 to rebuild Ukraine with the participation of Italian companies, - Italian Foreign Minister.

Zuffe · 11/03/2023 11:08

Russia is using London to launder looted during the war with Ukraine, β€” Bloomberg
It turned out that currently, some Russian-controlled companies are trying to use the war in Ukraine for financial gain. In particular, the Russians are leaders among those who use soft regulation, which allows them to hide their assets without much scrutiny.
"In particular, criminals use UK companies to transfer large sums of money into the country and hold them for several years. They then either withdraw the funds before they are required to report them to the Register or file fraudulent returns that do not reveal the assets. The company owner," Bloomberg explains.

It is not clear what Bloomberg is saying here. Setting up a UK company, opening a bank account and transferring cash has no restriction or registration (aside from sanctions). The new Register of Overseas Entities that must be filed at Companies House is to declare the ultimate beneficial owner(s) of UK real property held by offshore intermediaries which will typically be companies. This traces property acquisitions back to 1999 with the exception of Scotland which works from 2014. There is no requirement for foreign entities to register the flow of money, though unless it was required for UK real estate investment it is difficult to see why any Russian would transfer cash to the UK now. If they want to invest in UK bonds or equity they can do that via a Swiss bank.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 11/03/2023 11:22

Thank you for the explanation @Zuffe.

Certainly in the NL if you transfer over a few tens of thousands you have to declare where it came from. Not sure if that's the case in the UK?

Zuffe · 11/03/2023 12:51

UK banks will always ask questions to try to establish the source of funds, particularly for a new account opening. Unless the account opener is on a sanctions list, the questions asked are not too hard to answer. If asked to prove where the $5m deposit is coming from it is not difficult to get a letter from a notary is some foreign jurisdiction, stamped by a translator "This is a certified translation", saying "proceeds from sale of a factory in Czech Republic" or similar. A few documents from different sources that can be found on Google is enough for most banks to say "Yes we have KYC" and then the money flows. Once the account holder's identity has been established, later flows are not challenged as they are 'deemed trustworthy'. Honestly, some UK banks are more likely to challenge a genuine grandparent's birthday transfer of Β£1,000 to a 15 year old than they are foreign funds flows ("County Lines"). Then you have the Swiss bank that holds the original funds, transferring $5m every so often to a subsidiary bank in Mayfair - what challenge is going to take place there?

It was this bit that did not make sense ' "report them to the Register or file fraudulent returns that do not reveal the assets" There is no register of fund transfers, only UK property most of which is in prime central London, some shooting estates in Scotland or Devon. Even then the ultimate beneficial owner may not be known. It may well be recorded as Jose Menendez in Antigua, but there will be a side agreement sitting in some legal office in Panama that says Jose is holding the property on trust for Sergei in St Petersburg. That document never comes to light.

Nobody wants the true beneficial owners to be identified, particularly a UK government. The London property market would collapse 50% if that were the case. Ownership of UK property has less barriers than many countries and no restriction on use or occupation. There is so much of it, that bricks and mortar is the equivalent of a bank account. It is a place of deposit where $250m can be spread across 4 or 5 properties and left for 20 years until anybody who really cared where it came from in the home country has long since forgot or has been defenestrated. The same is true of Paris.

The amount of foreign money parked in European capitals is staggering. Mostly from dictatorship countries, but not always. Property is preferred because there is so much of it compared to the capacity of shipyards. Houses, unlike boats, do not depreciate.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 11/03/2023 13:09

Again, thank you very much Zuffe. It's been said for years that London is a haven for money laundering but didnt know how it worked.

Igotjelly · 11/03/2023 18:39

Just listened to yesterday’s Ukrainecast. They interviewed Professor John Mearsheimer. He outlined his views that the West caused this war by pressuring Ukraine to join NATO and that Russia are likely in the long run to win. He argues that if they don’t win they will use nuclear weapons and is firmly of the mind that the Ukrainians and West need to negotiate now before it gets worse.

Honestly I found myself getting a bit cross at him and wondered what others think of these types of views?

MagicFox · 11/03/2023 18:50

He has been widely denounced and criticised and is used as a Kremlin talking head ie Russian tv cites him all the time, as does China. I think this tells us everything we need to know. He's got a thesis he wants to defend at all costs, including looking at the reality on the ground

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MagicFox · 11/03/2023 18:51

Haven't listened that Ukrainecast yet but I will do

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Igotjelly · 11/03/2023 18:58

MagicFox · 11/03/2023 18:50

He has been widely denounced and criticised and is used as a Kremlin talking head ie Russian tv cites him all the time, as does China. I think this tells us everything we need to know. He's got a thesis he wants to defend at all costs, including looking at the reality on the ground

Thanks πŸ™

Suspected that was the case.

Greenshake · 11/03/2023 19:03

Anyone saying that the West caused this war, which is factually and categorically incorrect, should be viewed with suspicion.

Igotjelly · 11/03/2023 19:07

Greenshake · 11/03/2023 19:03

Anyone saying that the West caused this war, which is factually and categorically incorrect, should be viewed with suspicion.

No absolutely, I agree. I’m always a bit unsure why the BBC give these mouth breathers air time.

MMBaranova · 11/03/2023 19:08

Mearsheimer has been criticised for his utterances on Ukraine since the invasion. For instance this article from July:

euideas.eui.eu/2022/07/11/john-mearsheimers-lecture-on-ukraine-why-he-is-wrong-and-what-are-the-consequences/

His work over the decades has (in my opinion, such as it is worth much at all) sometimes been worthwhile, perceptive, gadflyish or often plain wrong. Elements of his critique of the Israel lobby in the USA etc. and who he has endorsed have skated on arguably antisemitic ice.

At 75 he is behaving as some older academics do when they become untethered from a career path. That's about all I can bring myself to say about him.

MMBaranova · 11/03/2023 19:11

On a different note: please be careful about links in direct messages on the site. I just deleted a very dodgy .ru message that may well be the Putinist team trying to compromise my account. I get it elsewhere too. Block / report /whatever please.

Igotjelly · 11/03/2023 19:19

MMBaranova · 11/03/2023 19:11

On a different note: please be careful about links in direct messages on the site. I just deleted a very dodgy .ru message that may well be the Putinist team trying to compromise my account. I get it elsewhere too. Block / report /whatever please.

😱 thanks for the warning!

And for β€˜gadflyish’ it’s my new word of the day!!

MissConductUS · 11/03/2023 19:44

Zuffe · 11/03/2023 10:56

The publication writes that the US Army and Biden's administration plan to increase production this spring from 14,000 to 30,000 units of 155-mm shells and later (the exact dates need to be specified – note) to 90,000. Also, $80 million was allocated for the modernization and doubling of production of the Javelin ATGM.

According to information I have read elsewhere, this is a monthly rate of production.

Correct. The Telegraph just had a good comment piece on the artillery shell situation. Since it's behind a paywall, I'll copy and paste it here.

He makes some good points about how western stocks of artillery shells fell over the decades (we relied on aircraft and missiles more) and how the consequences for Russia if they run out are fairly mild but could be existential for the Ukrainians.

There was a question recently about the availability of funding in the US for military support for Ukraine, so I've bolded a paragraph in the piece that addresses that question.

Putin is running out of time to win the ammunition war against the West - Russia's feeble economy cannot compete with Western production

Lewis Page
9 March 2023 β€’ 6:00am

As the war in Ukraine grinds on, discussion over Western assistance to the Ukrainians has focused on sophisticated weapons: missiles, battle tanks, precision munitions, and combined air operations – aka β€œfighter jets”.

In fact, however, the key issue right now is supplies of ordinary dumb artillery shells.

β€œThe war in Ukraine has become an artillery war,” says Mark Cancian, ex-US Marine colonel and analyst for the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) thinktank in Washington. β€œThere may be a crisis brewing over artillery ammunition.”

The standard bread-and-butter artillery shell of Nato is the 155mm. More than 300 155mm guns of various kinds have been or are being sent to the Ukrainians, around half of them from the USA.

The US has also sent a million shells, which sounds like plenty: but as of November, the Ukrainians said they were firing 6,000 to 7,000 shells a day and would like to be firing more.

Not all of these shells will be 155mm – Ukraine also has ex-Soviet guns and some ammunition for them, though getting more of that is very problematic – but the Ukrainians are firing 155mm shells much faster than the factories of the West are making new ones.

Even this is not exactly intensive use: no more than 20 shells per day from each tube. To stop a heavy Russian attack, or to support a major Ukrainian advance, the big guns must often fire faster than this.

The trouble is that the West has not seen fighting of this sort for a very long time. Western alliances have gone to war against ground armies with ex-Soviet equipment three times in living memory, twice in the Gulf and once in Libya.

In all three cases, the opposing ground forces were destroyed almost entirely from the air. British artillery fired just 9,000 155mm shells during the whole Iraq invasion. Stockpiles have been reduced and manufacturing capacity has been cut back.

The problem has been noticed. Nato secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg acknowledged in February that Ukraine’s rate of firing is β€œmany times higher than our current rate of production”.

This week, Parliament’s Defence Select Committee said that British ammunition stocks are at β€œdangerously low levels” and rebuilding them could take a decade. EU defence ministers met this week in Stockholm to discuss a massive increase in European production: though it’s not clear when this could be achieved, or even if it will be attempted.

As usual in Western military affairs, the serious money and action has been from the USA. In 2021 the US produced fewer than 10,000 155mm shells a month: that is now climbing through 15,000 and Pentagon officials expect to hit β€œsurge rate” of 20,000 in a matter of weeks.

Ample money is available: Congress has awarded more than $100 billion of funds to support Ukraine, and the recent National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) has given US officials the freedom to act. In January, the Pentagon said that America will reach 90,000 shells a month and do so within two years.

A 155mm shell is essentially a heavy, precision-made steel forging with an explosive charge inside. The US has large stockpiles of the chemicals needed to make the explosive fillings, and plenty of steel: the limit on production is the ability to turn steel bar stock into shell bodies.

This takes place at the moment at a pair of Government Owned, Contractor Operated (GOCO) factories in Pennsylvania, run by General Dynamics. The plants are in 24-hour operation, which has delivered much of the production increase so far.

The next step is new capacity, and here again the US has acted. In November, a $391 million contract was given to Canadian firm IMT Defense for more shell bodies, and General Dynamics was instructed to build another shell production line in Texas. Douglas R Bush, the US Army’s top acquisition official, said in January that a fourth shell-body facility will also be established.

America is also looking to fund capacity increases overseas: a deal was announced in November under which the US will buy 100,000 rounds of 155mm from South Korea.

A key part of getting industry to build new production capacity will be promises by the US Department of Defense (DoD) that it won’t just walk away once the fighting stops, leaving producers with expensive new plant and no orders.

β€œThe NDAA gave DoD authority to sign multiyear procurement contracts for munitions,” explains Cancian. β€œIndustry has been worried that it will expand capacity but then, when the war ends, DoD will cancel its contracts … DoD has used multiyear contracts for decades to buy ships, aircraft, and vehicles more efficiently. It should take advantage of these new authorities to rebuild its munitions inventories.”

So it’s clear that the Western world – by which we largely mean the US, so far – is rapidly increasing production of 155mm shells. But it’s often suggested that Russia is out-producing the West, in simple artillery shells at least if not in more sophisticated weapons.

This is doubtful. British military intelligence assessed in February that Russia’s defence industries are β€œfalling short” of the production levels needed to sustain Putin’s forces in Ukraine, and that this is a β€œcritical weakness”.

It’s true that Russian rates of fire have often been higher than those of the Ukrainians, but this doesn’t necessarily mean that Russia is producing lots of new ammunition.

Vladimir Putin knows he cannot win a long war of attrition: given time, the US alone can massively out-produce the feeble Russian economy. Time is not on his side. Putin is likely to fire every shell he has to achieve something that looks like victory while he still can. He can’t afford to wait, with US 155mm production climbing all the time, Western tanks arriving on the battlefield, and the possibility that the EU might do something effective.

One should also note that Russia doesn’t need to fear running out of shells the way the Ukrainians do. If Ukraine runs out of shells it will cease to exist as a nation: if Russia does, it will only have to withdraw from Ukraine.

There are good reasons, then, to suspect that Russia is not overmatching Western military production – even in relatively simple artillery shells.

notimagain · 11/03/2023 22:04

dibly · 11/03/2023 10:26

Thanks Ducks. The psychological stress of this war must be so debilitating, you can see it on Zelensky’s face.

Just doubling back.to that ......spotted this, which be of interest/relevance.

news.ugcc.ua/en/data/president-of-ukraine-presents-state-awards-to-three-ugcc-military-chaplains-279/

Not sure what the set up was in other armed forces around the world but many British military units/stations/bases had a vicar/chaplain or similar attached to at least provide pastoral support of some sort.

I met a few in my time in the services and many of them were very interesting characters, fun to talk to about pretty much anything, not the least bit interested in whether you believed or not.....oh and (off duty) some were very good at buying the beers.............

BTW, how the heck does President Z find enough hours in a day to do everything he seems to fit in?

MissConductUS · 11/03/2023 23:10

Not sure what the set up was in other armed forces around the world but many British military units/stations/bases had a vicar/chaplain or similar attached to at least provide pastoral support of some sort.

Every branch of the US military has a Chaplain Corps. They're attached at the regiment or battalion level in the army. Americans tend to be quite religious, and there's a big turnout for services on Sunday. They deploy into combat zones with the troops.

In addition to moral and spiritual support, they are absolutely brilliant at greasing the wheels of the army's bureaucracy when a soldier needs emergency leave. They visit soldiers in hospitals and keep in touch with the families of soldiers on deployment. They are really vital to the mission.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 12/03/2023 10:37

www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-11-2023

Key Takeaways

Russian forces did not make any confirmed advances within Bakhmut on March 11.

Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova confirmed that there is infighting in the Kremlin inner circle, that the Kremlin has ceded centralized control over the Russian information space, and implicitly that Russian President Vladimir Putin cannot fix it.

Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin said that he would transform the Wagner Group into a hardline ideological elite parallel military organization after the Battle of Bakhmut.

Ukrainian sources report that Ukrainian forces advanced toward Svatove

Russian forces continue to establish fortifications in Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian mobilized soldiers continue to publicize complaints that commanders treat them poorly and used them as expendable manpower to patch holes in existent formations.

Russian occupation officials use children’s healthcare to generate dependency on the Russian healthcare system.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
PerkingFaintly · 12/03/2023 10:42

Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova confirmed that there is infighting in the Kremlin inner circle, that the Kremlin has ceded centralized control over the Russian information space, and implicitly that Russian President Vladimir Putin cannot fix it.

Woah! That's... quite a shift.

And not very reassuring given this:

Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin said that he would transform the Wagner Group into a hardline ideological elite parallel military organization after the Battle of Bakhmut.

Prigohzhin telling us what sort of warlord he is (if we didn't already know).

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 12/03/2023 10:44

Washington Post Telegram

⚑️Ground Forces Commander: Spring counteroffensive β€˜not far off (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ground-forces-commander-spring-counteroffensive-not-far-off).’
Oleksandr Syrskyi, the commander of Ukraine’s Ground Forces, said that the defense of Bakhmut was necessary for the start of the spring counteroffensive, which is "not far off," the Ground Forces reported on March 11

⚑️Interior minister: Ukraine almost done assembling (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/interior-minister-ukraine-almost-done-assembling-new-assault-brigades) new assault brigades.
According to Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko, 28,000 volunteers have already applied to join new assault brigades, also known as the Offensive Guard. The forces are now collecting reservists.

⚑️Local authorities: Russia strikes (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/local-authorities-russia-strikes-critical-infrastructure-in-zaporizhzhia) critical infrastructure in Zaporizhzhia.

⚑️Ukrainian military: Russian forces lose (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukrainian-military-russian-forces-lose-more-than-500-troops-in-one-day-in-bakhmut) more than 500 troops in one day in Bakhmut.
The Russian casualties over the past day in Bakhmut include 221 killed and 314 wounded, according to Serhiy Cherevaty, spokesperson for the eastern grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

⚑️General Staff: Russia conducts (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/general-staff-russia-conducts-multiple-unsuccessful-attacks-on-eastern-front) multiple unsuccessful attacks on eastern front.
Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensives near Kupiansk, Lyman, Avdiivka, Marinka, and Shakhtar on March 11, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

⚑️Media: Iran strikes (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/media-iran-to-buy-russian-su-35-fighters) deal to buy Su-35 fighters from Russia.
Iran has concluded a contract to purchase Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets from Russia, according to Saeed Iravani, Iran's representative to the UN, Iranian state-owned news agency IRIB reported on March 11.

⚑️Ukraine’s special forces destroy (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukraines-special-forces-destroy-2-military-watchtowers-in-russias-border-regions) 2 military watchtowers in Russia.
The special forces unit of Ukraine’s military intelligence, Kraken, announced on March 11 that it had destroyed two Murom military watchtowers in Russia's Bryansk and Kursk regions near Ukraine's border.
A video published by Kraken shows the watchtowers being destroyed with anti-tank guided missiles.

⚑️Red Cross visits (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/red-cross-visits-ukrainian-po-ws-in-occupied-donetsk-and-horlivka) Ukrainian POWs in occupied Donetsk and Horlivka.
During the last month, representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) visited Ukrainian prisoners of war in occupied Donetsk and Horlivka, the Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War stated on March 11.
The ICRC is now trying to reach prisoners in Luhansk Oblast.

Less hardware destroyed but my god, almost 1100 dead!

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 12/03/2023 10:54

Dammit, that was the Kyiv Independent sorry, not the Washington Post!

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