Being a vegan is bad for the planet

[Connorsnotthedad]

Prove to me I’m wrong

You first.

You might get a more informative and interesting thread OP if you opened a discussion.

I'll bite though...

I couldn't say for sure, statistically ya know. But I do wonder about all the 'man made' fabrics and plether etc. Surely that takes much longer to eventually breakdown/decompose than leather?

What? To make that claim you have to say what you mean surely?

Eating a load of weird highly processed, prepackaged meat-free special vegan products probably isn't great for the planet, and there are plant crops that aren't helping the planet much, but eating mainly plants is still better than raising meat for food because it takes up much more space, energy and water.

yeah, no ta.

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Everything's bad for the planet. We need to go back to Palaeolithic times.

Yes I would agree that where veganism requires replacing natural fabrics with plastics that's also bad for the planet. But then so is a lot of the cotton we grow. But there are also other alternatives, like linen and ramie, some types of viscose and cupro etc that are more sustainable.

It's not being a vegan or not being a vegan per se, it's complex and anyone's life can be better or worse for the planet based on multiple everyday decisions.

Being alive is bad for the planet, just choose a path and tread lightly 🤷‍♀️

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I would reframe it as humans are bad for the planet🤷🏼‍♀️

(Am not a vegan, or especially keen to defend a vegan bandwagon btw and I hate preachy veganism - but it is true that meat is very bad for the planet.)

I think the main ethical reason for veganism should be the lack of cruelty to animals. Can’t argue with that. The environmental reasons are problematic and don’t stack up though and therefore opens up all kinds of debate. I speak as a vegetarian of 22 years, who just can’t make the leap to veganism!

All humans are ruining the planet.

Brad Pitt fancies me.

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Livestock are wasteful transformers of energy, because an animal expends a large proportion of the energy of its food as heat given off by its body and movement. As food supply this is entirely lost, the return in flesh being only 8 to 16 percent of the animals food, and in milk about 35%.

Some land is unsuitable for crop agriculture and best grazed lightly.

If as a country we became mainly plant based, we could just about be self sufficient. It would involve peas, a lot of peas.

What's your starting argument or are you just being a goady vegan basher?

This sounds like a kid who has been given this topic for homework and looking for help.

Brad Pitt fancies me.

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Thank you for this 😂

The phrase “vegan leather” makes me irrationally angry. IT IS PLASTIC. Or pleather.

Brad Pitt has been a vegan since 2011, is he bad for the planet?

Someone told me that some vegan leather was made out of mushrooms or something.

But I remain convinced it's a nice way of saying plastic

@SockGoddess

'but it is true that meat is very bad for the planet.'

That's a bit of a worry because I've discovered I'm largely made out of meat. As are most animals apparently, except the crocodile which I think is made up of a number of conjoined handbags.

It's certainly true that you can be vegan in a way which is very harmful to the planet- highly processed fake meats, legumes shipped across the world (causing sea pollution), air-freighted fruit, palm oil etc etc.

You need to try to think about the impact of your diet in the round, not just about whether you are eating animal products - so as locally produced as possible, without excessive energy and water requirements, non-polluting etc etc. For me, this means that I do eat local, non-commercially produced eggs , as that's a less harmful way to meet my protein requirements than shipping chickpeas half way round the world. So I'm not vegan. I have a very green cousin who eats roadkill and skip-dives for meat that has been chucked out by supermarkets, and she's not vegan either

None of this means that veganism is in itself bad for the planet- it's how you do it that matters.

Being a human is, generally, bad for the planet. Regardless of what you eat. All diets have an impact, all could be improved and be more environmentally friendly, all have benefits and drawbacks. I don't understand why we're so determined to fight about vegan/not vegan.

We all fucking suck and earth would be best off if we all died, unfortunately for nature, we persist.

The animal agriculture industry is vital for maintaining the fertility and sustainability of our soils in a natural way.

Homo Sapiens is bad for the planet.

That's the real issue. Everything would be just fine without humans.

What day does your assignment have to be handed in?