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Australia recruiting in the UK for nurses, etc

106 replies

idonotmind · 17/02/2023 19:22

Not sure it's been discussed on here yet:

metro.co.uk/2023/02/16/london-australia-to-tempt-nurses-and-teachers-to-move-down-under-18293594/

Anyone tempted? I would be if I was a UK nurse, teacher etc

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ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 19:31

I don’t know why you aren’t forced to work in the NHS for a decade or something after you leave uni. I went to uni with a whole load of medic friends, and they paid the same fees as every other course did, for 9-5 contact hours, & access to expensive materials. Not saying they don’t need it, but if their training is subsidised that much by government/ taxpayers, they should be forced to give something back or repay fees.

I know if you train at uni and the army for example pay your fees for medical degree/ dentistry eg, unless you work for the army for 5 years if something afterwards, you have to repay the fees….

AnyFucker · 17/02/2023 19:32

This isn’t a new thing

Australia have always done this

AnyFucker · 17/02/2023 19:33

And they are lying about the cost of living. It is high in Australia. Although with our recent rises it may be more on a par I suppose.

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Justanotherlurker · 17/02/2023 19:36

AnyFucker · 17/02/2023 19:32

This isn’t a new thing

Australia have always done this

Exactly, it's the same as us scouting Nurses from other countries.

Its been the same situation for decades, the only reason it has touched the news is because of the strikes etc.

MarshaMelrose · 17/02/2023 19:36

There's another thread about this. I think it was for W Australia only, though. I think the general opinion was it was expensive and quite isolated.

TattyDevine · 17/02/2023 19:37

This is what the UK do, but to other countries.

Stings when it's happening the other way round...

StiggyZardust · 17/02/2023 19:39

I'm 60, I qualified as a nurse in the 80's. After qualifying Australia and Switzerland were recruiting.
It's been a constant thing.

AnyFucker · 17/02/2023 19:43

I have lived in Perth. Housing is mega expensive. Food prices are high. Wages are better but that simply reflects the fact that Perth is nearer to SE Asia than the rest of Australia.

SecretVictoria · 17/02/2023 19:43

I would do it in a heartbeat if I was a) younger and b) qualified as anything on the list 😂

ajandjjmum · 17/02/2023 19:46

ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 19:31

I don’t know why you aren’t forced to work in the NHS for a decade or something after you leave uni. I went to uni with a whole load of medic friends, and they paid the same fees as every other course did, for 9-5 contact hours, & access to expensive materials. Not saying they don’t need it, but if their training is subsidised that much by government/ taxpayers, they should be forced to give something back or repay fees.

I know if you train at uni and the army for example pay your fees for medical degree/ dentistry eg, unless you work for the army for 5 years if something afterwards, you have to repay the fees….

I am surprised that this isn't done here - you have to work say five years for the NHS within your first ten years of being qualified. A bit of pay back for the training?

ajandjjmum · 17/02/2023 19:46

AnyFucker · 17/02/2023 19:33

And they are lying about the cost of living. It is high in Australia. Although with our recent rises it may be more on a par I suppose.

According to DS who lives in Sydney, prices are soaring there too.

Turtleegg · 17/02/2023 19:47

ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 19:31

I don’t know why you aren’t forced to work in the NHS for a decade or something after you leave uni. I went to uni with a whole load of medic friends, and they paid the same fees as every other course did, for 9-5 contact hours, & access to expensive materials. Not saying they don’t need it, but if their training is subsidised that much by government/ taxpayers, they should be forced to give something back or repay fees.

I know if you train at uni and the army for example pay your fees for medical degree/ dentistry eg, unless you work for the army for 5 years if something afterwards, you have to repay the fees….

Perhaps if they have their fees and placements paid then yes sure. Do we reimburse countries for the training the medical professionals we poach from them cost?

Hobbesmanc · 17/02/2023 19:47

There's dozens of companies in India and the Philippines doing the same thing.

TabithaTiger · 17/02/2023 19:48

ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 19:31

I don’t know why you aren’t forced to work in the NHS for a decade or something after you leave uni. I went to uni with a whole load of medic friends, and they paid the same fees as every other course did, for 9-5 contact hours, & access to expensive materials. Not saying they don’t need it, but if their training is subsidised that much by government/ taxpayers, they should be forced to give something back or repay fees.

I know if you train at uni and the army for example pay your fees for medical degree/ dentistry eg, unless you work for the army for 5 years if something afterwards, you have to repay the fees….

Is this a joke?!

Simonjt · 17/02/2023 19:50

ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 19:31

I don’t know why you aren’t forced to work in the NHS for a decade or something after you leave uni. I went to uni with a whole load of medic friends, and they paid the same fees as every other course did, for 9-5 contact hours, & access to expensive materials. Not saying they don’t need it, but if their training is subsidised that much by government/ taxpayers, they should be forced to give something back or repay fees.

I know if you train at uni and the army for example pay your fees for medical degree/ dentistry eg, unless you work for the army for 5 years if something afterwards, you have to repay the fees….

So you want student numbers to nose dive? What about the thousands of pounds those students are really owed in their unpaid work?

youhavenoidea123 · 17/02/2023 19:50

Nurses pay student fees. They work on the placements, i am not sure how they owe the NHS anything.

My DD is at uni at the moment. Her hours attending uni are low, the majority is online!

Nynynyny2018 · 17/02/2023 19:51

I moved to Sydney in 1987 and worked as a nurse after a big recruitment drive. Best years of my life. Standard of living, staff ratio weather ...it was a no brainer for a 23 year old!Also escaped Margaret Thatcher!

Okunevo · 17/02/2023 19:54

AnyFucker · 17/02/2023 19:33

And they are lying about the cost of living. It is high in Australia. Although with our recent rises it may be more on a par I suppose.

Food is a lot more expensive than in the UK

Shortkiwi · 17/02/2023 19:55

My DD who is an F2 doctor is applying to work in Australia like many of her peers. I support her. This is because newly qualified doctors start on around £29k which is a joke considering the immediate responsibility they are given and the huge amount of debt accrued by undertaking a degree in medicine. Working in the NHS for many is untenable. She’s in A&E atm and it’s hell.

drpet49 · 17/02/2023 20:01

TabithaTiger · 17/02/2023 19:48

Is this a joke?!

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Why? Other countries do this. We should too.

MTIH · 17/02/2023 20:04

Yes, encouraging my DC’s to go! I would if I were younger.

Only the same as us. My DM’s nursing home has recruited half of it's staff from India, medics included.

ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 20:06

TabithaTiger · 17/02/2023 19:48

Is this a joke?!

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Why do people respond like this? 🙄 🙄 🙄

is this the new thing? What about engaging in a discussion about it, pointing out reasons why you think it may not work, rather than the lazy route you’ve taken

Okunevo · 17/02/2023 20:09

Cost of living comparison here.
www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

newjobnewstartihope · 17/02/2023 20:15

I assume people think the comment is a joke as courses are not subsidised anymore students have to pay for them. And those who did train when it was paid for have already given the government their pound of flesh trust me

prescribingmum · 17/02/2023 20:18

ThePenIsBlue · 17/02/2023 19:31

I don’t know why you aren’t forced to work in the NHS for a decade or something after you leave uni. I went to uni with a whole load of medic friends, and they paid the same fees as every other course did, for 9-5 contact hours, & access to expensive materials. Not saying they don’t need it, but if their training is subsidised that much by government/ taxpayers, they should be forced to give something back or repay fees.

I know if you train at uni and the army for example pay your fees for medical degree/ dentistry eg, unless you work for the army for 5 years if something afterwards, you have to repay the fees….

As a PP mentioned, if we did this and also paid them for the many hours of work they do on placement (and currently are not paid for), the government/taxpayer would be paying more than they currently are.

By the same token, we also need to stop poaching healthcare staff from other countries before we can enforce this on our students and there is no way that is happening because we can't tempt anyone to work for the NHS right now. All those who come from abroad leave pretty promptly when they realise how truly horrific our working conditions are