Australia recruiting in the UK for nurses, etc

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Not sure it's been discussed on here yet:

metro.co.uk/2023/02/16/london-australia-to-tempt-nurses-and-teachers-to-move-down-under-18293594/

Anyone tempted? I would be if I was a UK nurse, teacher etc

Many faith schools do have this provision, and a lot of migrants want to attend faith schools. This was one of the issues that brought about Brexit as many East European migrants are Catholic and displaced local children as they moved into the area and had higher priority...some have changed that provision since.

Skilled Migrant....definitely are bringing families. We see them regularly arrive with husband and children.

Doctors rack up huge student loans unless they have wealthy parents. However the loan is still not enough to cover the cost of the training and the government pays the rest. Hence the limit in numbers.
My suggestion to aid retention would be to increase training places in unpopular areas where they struggle to recruit, guarantee jobs in the area they train (so no having to apply all over the country) and student loan forgiveness on a sliding scale after 5 years work in the NHS.

Yes your right, i thought the whole point was to reduce immigration?

Salaries are low too, barely min wage or 26k.. so hardly well paid/skilled.

So we had Brexit to stop Europeans coming here, to be replaced by RoW migrants with poor work & language skills? yes makes sense.

Nhs medical courses are normally exempt from fees

NZ do this too. My sister's coming over for a weeks recruitment drive in London next month. My youngest son is probably going to go over later this year on a holiday working visa to see what it's like and potentially find an employer to sponsor him.

They did away with that years ago, you have to pay tuition fees now. And for medicine you always had to pay fees.

How can you force someone to work somewhere for a decade?! Do we live in a dictatorship. Ridiculous.

It's a free Labour market. They should focus on making the conditions better so people don't feel they have to move to the other side of the world!

Just pay decent wages on graduation to doctors once they start working. Not 29k ffs. They also might stay and work if you don’t charge them to train/study. Yes I know 9k a year in Uni fees is less than what it costs to train them but still..

@Hotvimto3 "Nhs medical courses are normally exempt from fees"

Utter rubbish. What makes you think this. They are charged at full rate. If they were free on condition the person worked for x no of years in the NHS it may have an impact, but prob marginal as reality is the body charged with recovering student loans do not pursue people that have left the country more than a cursory request if they have an address

@AnyFucker nice username by the way.
Perth property prices are no where has high as the rest of Australia
Western Australia has its own economy which has nothing to do with surrounding Asian countries.
Thanks

The UK does this too. I work in education and often receive emails trying to entice me to the UK to experience the British lifestyle. Though I used to live in England and I’m not tempted, however a lot of my colleagues have moved over or will be soon.

More correctly, you pay tuition fees and most likely need a maintenance loan: all needs to be paid back.

If you're lucky and your parents don't earn to much you'll get a 5K bursary to help with living ccosts.

That bursary is not means tested, it depends on what you study.
Plus I believe it's higher for medicine.

What's not being mentioned is that Australia has been revoking the citizenship of Australian born under a bizarre law in place until 2002, but still applied retrospectively today. The government have deprived an estimated 1mln of their citizenship. That is considerable for a country with a population of 20mln.
www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-10/australian-man-living-overseas-lost-citizenship-outdated-law/101875820
And, yeah, they have had a brain drain for more than a decade and some of the strictest lockdowns in the world.

Surely you'd find out whether your country allows dual citizenship before applying for a second.

From someone that lives in Perth (emigrated 2018) - do it.
We have an amazing quality of life and work life balance.

Yes it's expensive but I earn double what I could back home.
We manage to save every week. Have a lovely brand new house that's actually cost equivalent to a run down 3 bed back in our home down that would need work.

It won't be for everyone though and I get that but I hate seeing a lot of australia negativity from people who have never been on these general threads.

But they did allow dual citizenship - but only for those becoming Australian, not Australian born. And for a country built by immigration, the way the law was applied made it very confusing. Some poor souls were even incorrectly advised by civil servants.

The simplest solution is for the NHS to pay tuition fees and in return the student commits to work for ten years. If you want to leave before the ten years, you just stump up a percentage of what you owe depending on how much time you have spent in the NHS.

Happens in Ireland too. One recent year has more than 80% of its graduates working in Australia/New Zealand.

@Taciturn Ok, I didn't know that. And incorrect advise from civil service is really bad and people should be held responsible.

Nope. I graduated (medical) and did initial training in Australia then went over to NHS for a decade. Ironically, we all flocked to the UK, as at the time working conditions in NHS were far superior to Australia. We were flogged like dogs here, the UK was utopia in comparison with the benefit of career progression that wasn’t possible here, simply due to limited places being available.

It’s a free labour market with swings and roundabouts over time. There is no way people should be indentured.

They do something like that in Australia for medical students with the rural bonded scholarships, and I think it's pretty awful and unethical. You are basically taking a 17 / 18 year old, and signing them up to a contract that is still dictating their life 15 - 20 years down the track. It's indentured servitude.

And why are you targeting medical staff? There are many courses that cost similar amounts to run.

*They do something like that in Australia for medical students with the rural bonded scholarships, and I think it's pretty awful and unethical. You are basically taking a 17 / 18 year old, and signing them up to a contract that is still dictating their life 15 - 20 years down the track. It's indentured servitude.^

Yep, but note that is for certain scholarships only, it’s not a general thing. It’s also not 15-20 years🤣. People are looking at 3-5. To be blunt, it’s pretty much for kids who miss out on getting a placement in medicine initially and a way in they would not otherwise have had. Not saying that their lower entry marks/interviews means they end up as ‘lessor’ as some may become much better than other peers through the course of the degree/training. This was the only way a friends child could get in. They put their head down and did really well in first few years enabling them to turn apply to transfer uni’s to a non rural bonded position and they were successful so now a 100% city medic.

Theoretically everyone does need to do a country placement in training though, but that’s different to tue rural bonded scheme.

Student nurses are paying tens of thousands of £s to train so no, its not right to force them to work in the NHS for a set period.

I now know two nurses who qualified a year ago who are going to Australia. I don't blame them. They are young and should enjoy life and see the world.
I moved to USA two years after qualifying, got my state license where I lived and had a great life.
Student nurses have paid heavily for their training in unpaid work hours while training and they work bloody hard too, they are supposed to be supernumerary, but you know they get counted as without them the wards would not run on the number of paid staff on duty.

@MangoPineapple11 that's awesome. Whereabouts in Perth do you live?
I have heard great things about WA.
Considering the move ourselves. (Not nurses unfortunately!)