Page 3 | Another dog attack- 4 year old killed. Devastating

singingsussie · 2023-02-01T06:14:33+00:00

Just woke up to this news this morning. It's just so incredibly heartbreaking for all involved. Seems to be happening so much more than ever these days

ZeroFuchsGiven · 01/02/2023 09:23

Nw22 · 01/02/2023 08:47

@FrancescaContini you can be upset about the child but care more about your own dog. I care more about my dog than any random child.

You need help.

Plantlifeonmars · 01/02/2023 09:24

pissssedofff · 01/02/2023 06:39

Could have 1000 children killed by dogs and dog owners would not accept any form of restriction, licencing etc.

They are the NRA of the UK.

Don't be rediculous. I'm a dog owner and would happy to need a licence. I'd be happy to have restrictions if these were deemed necessary as would huge amounts of other dog owners. You'd always get some moaning or battling against restrictions but that's the same with any change. Most dog owners are completely normal people who 100% don't want anybody to be hurt or killed by any dog.

Skyofplanets · 01/02/2023 09:26

Theres just simply no way of enforcing licenses.

I 100% support the idea , but think there is zero chance it would be effective

All it would do is create more problem hidden dogs, that don't get walked, vet care etc thus are more likely to be dangerous

The only reason that it works for cars is that your numberplate can be scanned on mass, while your not there and that you have to use public roads. Driving while disqualified or without a licence is a huge problem to me locally because there's no way of checking it. You can only check insurance. Theres no similar way to check for dogs.

hellosunshineagainxxx · 01/02/2023 09:27

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 01/02/2023 07:03

Yes. NRA sounds right.

If I could I would have this law. (Except assistance dogs).

No dogs in restaurants.
No dogs in shops.
No dogs off lead in a public area unless a designated dog exercise area.
Compulsory dog training and licensing and assessment of home and person environment.
Ban breeding and selling of all bully and larger breeds (exception for true working dogs on farms, estates and for police force).

We have this for guns but not dogs.

Dog lover here and I wish this were the case too

ThatshallotBaby · 01/02/2023 09:27

Dogs have to be chipped now. Might help with licensing?

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 01/02/2023 09:31

a happy content dog doesn’t kill people. That dog would not have had a happy life prior to this.

any sort of ban needs to be clearly thought out and planned with advisors not knee jerk. Professor green did a brilliant documentary on it a few years ago on how the ban is not working. It was a knee jerk response. It’s not solved the issue as we wouldn’t be here now. It’s just been worked around.
i do agree with much more breed intervention. Some of the cropping, and god awful breeding now is just cruel to the dogs. The frog look is fucking atrocious. Cropping whilst illegal is so prevalent I see it in my local garden centre. None of that is breeding for the dogs welfare, it offers and brings nothing to the dog but pain.

stripedsox · 01/02/2023 09:32

Killer dogs and their scum owners both need putting down.Other wise what is to stop them owning another dog and it happening again?

CascaChan · 01/02/2023 09:32

Yes, totally agree with you about parents letting kids harass strange dogs. I love dogs, had three growing up but they can be dangerous animals, even calm ones, when provoked. My sister was attacked by our dogs when there were guests over and they were stressed and she stupidly got I the middle of them trying to break up a fight between them, she was very badly bitten but was an adult at the time, might have been a tragedy if she was a small child. I suppose this has coloured my view of dogs.
You make a good point about the size of the dog. Most dogs can reach that of my child’s face in the pushchair, this bothers me when we are out and dogs are running up to her!

Kpo58 · 01/02/2023 09:33

Iwantabloodypizza · 01/02/2023 09:01

What I can’t understand though is why these type of breeds are allowed to be sold to unlicensed homes.

Because no one knows the exist! Here, they are bred in peoples homes and sold to friends/family/people at the pub.

They never see a vet.

When they are too aggressive to handle, they are left to rot in back gardens and never seen again.

No one will call the rspca if they see that because they are all as bad as each other. Dangerous dogs are the tip of the iceberg in shitholes all over the country.

These dogs don’t exist on paper.

There wouldn't be any point in calling the RSPCA as they won't do anything as long as the dog is fed, watered and has some kind of shelter.

Skyofplanets · 01/02/2023 09:33

ThatshallotBaby · 01/02/2023 09:27

Dogs have to be chipped now. Might help with licensing?

How though? Unless there is an ability to have chips regularly read somehow. Currently it's only at vet apts, and it's absolutely crucial that dogs are given access to vet care. Vets shouldn't be the enforcers because half of the problem dogs won't be taken to the vet anyway, currently therss a huge welfare problem where people don't seek vet care and dogs suffer, I wouldn't want to put more barriers up. It's the same reason A+E doesn't check immigration status

It's still fairly common for dogs to be unchipped and it's been law for many years

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 01/02/2023 09:34

chips only work with accurate current data

stripedsox · 01/02/2023 09:35

Someone up thread mentioned microchipping, bad owners aren't going to bother with that any more than they would have bought a dog licence. It's not going to stop badly bred /treated dogs attacking and killing either.

Skyofplanets · 01/02/2023 09:35

Ear cropping and tail docking is such a good example of an existing law theres no enforcement of.

It's illegal and has been for years, yet people openly sell puppies online with it done. Unlike a licence You can see a mile off if a dog has it done, yet its never enforced.

Theres celebrities with cropped puppies, and all Instagram breeders openly advertising

Renoir56 · 01/02/2023 09:36

I love dogs and if I could have one I would but circumstances currently don't make it practical. However I've stopped running in my local park because of the number of dogs running around, many huge and some out of control. When they come bounding up to me the owner invariably says 'he's just being friendly'. But it's uncomfortable and in some cases intimidating. I can't imagine what it must be like for a child. I think dogs should be on a lead in public except in designated exercising areas.

plumduck · 01/02/2023 09:37

If the laws aren't working then they'll either have to have new laws or just ban dogs outright. This is why we can't have nice things. A small minority don't give a shit if their dogs harm someone.

Badger1970 · 01/02/2023 09:37

I'm a responsible dog owner and I'm sick of being tarred with the same brush as idiot hardmen who breed these dogs for all the wrong reasons. The dogs are then sold on to people who can't look after themselves without Government support let alone a dog. They're fed on crap, never stimulated or exercised and the result is a ticking time bomb. This may be controversial but if there was an outright ban on dogs in council/housing association owned properties, this wouldn't keep happening.

plumduck · 01/02/2023 09:38

This may be controversial but if there was an outright ban on dogs in council/housing association owned properties, this wouldn't keep happening. you can't ban dogs from one type of housing. That's ridiculous.

EdithStourton · 01/02/2023 09:40

@Skyofplanets docking is allowed for some working breeds. In England, spaniels, HPR (hunt-point-retrieve) breeds and terriers in litters intended for work can be docked. The breeder has to provide evidence to the vet before docking takes place.

Someone upthread suggested limiting breeding to a small number of licenced breeders. That what not be good for the dogs - you don't want puppies born and raised in huge soulless facilities when they are intended to be family pets.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 01/02/2023 09:45

Badger1970 · 01/02/2023 09:37

I'm a responsible dog owner and I'm sick of being tarred with the same brush as idiot hardmen who breed these dogs for all the wrong reasons. The dogs are then sold on to people who can't look after themselves without Government support let alone a dog. They're fed on crap, never stimulated or exercised and the result is a ticking time bomb. This may be controversial but if there was an outright ban on dogs in council/housing association owned properties, this wouldn't keep happening.

I don’t quite know how to say this nicer but
errr

fuck off.

SOME people shouldn’t have pets. That’s nothing to do with their housing situation. Some of the worst behaved dogs I’ve seen are pooches in owned houses. Yes they aren’t going to kill a child, but an owned home means nothing to responsible ownership.

have a look at some of the work done by street dog and DOTs to re-educate yourself about owners and dogs.

ThatshallotBaby · 01/02/2023 09:46

Maybe police stations could have microchip readers? I don’t know. But it’s just so tragic.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 01/02/2023 09:48

ThatshallotBaby · 01/02/2023 09:46

Maybe police stations could have microchip readers? I don’t know. But it’s just so tragic.

They do.

caramac04 · 01/02/2023 09:48

Ricco12 · 01/02/2023 09:20

Breeding of dogs needs banned apart from a small number of licensed breeders who need to jump through hoops to get a license.

It's back yard breeding that is creating the issues, people are breeding huge powerful dogs which no thought to genes. Breeding utter crap that looks huge with no thought to temperament, crossing all sorts of dogs.

When you start crossing breeds often temperament can be compromised.

The last breed responsible for attacks was "Staffies" ( its XL bully's now). But these so called Staffies were not true SBT they were a cross of god knows what that roughly resembles a SBT. The worse thing you can do is cross a fighting dog with a guarding breed - that's asking for trouble yet this is the nonsense people did.

It's idiots breeding dogs that's creating this and the massive increase is due to the increase in back yard breeding as XL bully's are expensive so every "Ned" has started breeding them which is creating a new generation of monster dogs but unfortunately these animals are now over twice the weight of when it was done with "Staffies"

We need to Ban breeding . And urgently.

This is the real answer. I am against cross breeding generally and can see no legitimate reason to breed xl bullies.
Backyard breeding needs to be stopped. I would report such a breeder but I don’t live in the right (wrong) area. The breeders do it purely for money and no regard for the dogs or potential behaviour.
We don’t yet know the breed who has killed the poor child but I doubt it was a Labrador.
I say that as a responsible owner of a well trained and socialised Staffie and German Shepherd. Breed does make a difference but training of all dogs should be an absolute minimum of dog ownership.

bettybear21 · 01/02/2023 09:52

Badger1970 · 01/02/2023 09:37

I'm a responsible dog owner and I'm sick of being tarred with the same brush as idiot hardmen who breed these dogs for all the wrong reasons. The dogs are then sold on to people who can't look after themselves without Government support let alone a dog. They're fed on crap, never stimulated or exercised and the result is a ticking time bomb. This may be controversial but if there was an outright ban on dogs in council/housing association owned properties, this wouldn't keep happening.

I'm going to get so much hate here but I agree with you, I know people who live on this estate (not my friends) where the girl was attacked and it is a majority of council house and people on benefits that get the big bully breeds. I know a guy who does breed them and he lives on this estate and one of the pups ended up getting put down at a couple of years old for biting a child. These people like the status of these dogs as they look good for protection etc but they aren't fed properly, exercised properly and don't have the right stimulation. These dogs needs to be handled correctly and are unfortunately in the wrong hands. I do have a diploma in animal welfare so I do know what I am talking about..

Dymaxion · 01/02/2023 09:52

This may be controversial but if there was an outright ban on dogs in council/housing association owned properties, this wouldn't keep happening.

When we applied for permission to have a dog in our HA property, there were lots of questions asked about what breed were we looking at, the breed wasn't one ever mentioned on dog attack threads. We were also told that if we allowed the dog to roam or if it caused a nusiance in any way we would have to get rid of it or we would be asked to move out.
The homeowners, who's dog attacked my child, won't have been asked any questions prior to getting their dog.

Iluvfriends · 01/02/2023 09:53

I heard recently that a family member has acquired a Pitbull x Cane Corso pup. Said idiots have 5 small children, all under 10.
I am seriously disturbed by this.

I would report myself if I knew the address or even area they lived, I think I owe it to those poor wee kids. A tragedy waiting to happen.