Another dog attack- 4 year old killed. Devastating

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Just woke up to this news this morning. It's just so incredibly heartbreaking for all involved. Seems to be happening so much more than ever these days

I too know this estate as my son lives in Milton Keynes(nowhere near said estate).But it seems from the recent news that the owner of the dog is a single mother who only got the dog a few weeks ago.Her daughter was playing in the back garden with the dog🤦‍♀️

Guidance if your on lead dog is attacked by other dogs it to release the leash.

Regarding the class issue, I visited a house for work purposes that was a large detached property in a wealthy area (worth around £600,000). Inside were three XL Bullies who were growling at me to the point where the owner shouted at them to ‘shut up as you’re sounding aggressive’.

I understand the stereotype to a degree but stupidity doesn’t always discriminate. That woman in the house had zero authority over her dogs and I left without completed my work as a result because I felt unsafe and she herself sounded concerned at their perceived aggression.

When she initially opened her front door she said the typical ‘don’t mind the dogs, I have three gentle giants in here - they’re harmless’.

Harmless huge animals growling at anyone in their personal space. She was, in my opinion, a fucking irresponsible moron. Especially when she said as I left ‘I don’t know what’s gotten in to them, they did this to the last person that came over’. So knowing their previous reaction to a stranger in the house, she chose to put another stranger and her dogs in the same situation. I just have no words for some people.

That advice regarding cows is to protect the human's life, not so the dog can escape the cows that have been freaked out by the dog.

By releasing the dog, the owner ceased to have any control over it. The dog then abandoned the owner, who had zero visibility it control over the dog. Anything that happened after that is pure luck.

The agitated dog could have flipped out and savaged a child and the owner wouldn't have been there to intervene.

No matter how you dress this up, it is not responsible for handling or ownership.

As per the original point, if that dog had been picked up and found to be unchipped, it should have been destroyed as a deterrent to all the idiots, such as the owners of those other dogs, that let them roam freely.

That sort of punishment if the only way to get the irresponsible owners to engage with any sort of compulsory licencing.

So are you saying I should have kept her on her lead, let her get savaged (possibly to death) and also had the huge risk of me getting injured in the process?
Like I said, it has happened to me before, and the dog I was walking was nearly killed. Her injuries were horrific, but the police did not care as it was dog on dog. Her running home saved her life, and save me getting injured too.

That advice regarding cows is to protect the human's life, not so the dog can escape the cows that have been freaked out by the dog.

The outcome is still the same - a loose dog.

It would seem the same rules apply if your on lead is attacked by an off lead dog anyway, so the op was correct with her actions.

Ultimately, yes. You should not have released your dog and let it escape your control.

Why are you so focused on my dog escaping to save her life, and not the dogs that approached her to start with?

They really need to completely ban the selling of dogs on sites like gumtree and preloved. Owning a dog needs to be prohibitively expensive. Not to price poor people from dog ownership, but to ensure that it has to be a decision prepared for and thought through seriously. Not just an idiotic whim.

It seems unthinkable but there are adults out there right now, buying large muscled dogs of unknown temperment, breeding, background or socialisation. And then putting them into their homes with young children.

Dogs that have usually been bred illegally or for fighting (because they definitely have pitbull in them), discarded by suckers who've been told they are gettinga cheap staffy puppy on gumtree and then realised what they really got and usually abused or very badly raised then sold on.

And yet Rescue centres get completely savaged online if they euthanise a dog . They can’t win.

Excellent summary of the current bonkers situation.

That poor little girl.

I'd be willing to bet my house that this dog didn't come froma rescue centre.

Gumtree/preloved or a site like it.

They get savaged online for being too strict as to who they rehome too as well. Decent rescues, that is.
I do not believe any reputable rescue would rehome something like an XL bully to a home with small children, let alone a home that has no experience with the breed either.

Half of the population are below average intelligence.

That's why we need certain laws to protect the stupid (and by extension their children) from themselves.

Those dangerously out of control dogs should have certainly been put down.

You brought this event into the discussion as an example of why unchipped dogs, loose in pubic places, shouldn't be destroyed.

I disagree and think that no dogs should be loose in pubic places and any picked up by the police that weren't licenced/chipped (in a world where that was required) should be destroyed because this would help to force irresponsible dog owners to get licenced.

We're currently have a situation where any moron can breed XL Bullys, Belgian Shepherds, SBTs, etc, and sell them to morons. These dogs can then roam the streets attacking people and the police return them to the owners!

But the horror is, it’s not ‘an isolated incident’ and it was totally preventable.

Completely this. It hasn’t come from a legitimate rescue.

Of course it’s a fucking American Bully. As I said upthread, we all knew what kind of dog it would be.

Anyone stupid enough to bring what is effectively a deadly weapon into a house with a small child needs to be prosecuted.

Absolutely negligence on a horrific level.

'From an expert today , Dr John Tillioch

And more deprived areas of the country have higher dog bite hospitalisation rates compared to the least deprived communities, which had the lowest.'

Just yesterday my niece said that she was thinking about taking on a 'friends' xl bully who was 'only' six months old.

She's has three children under six.

She even had the gall to look offended when I told her it was a fucking stupid idea, and to only go ahead with it if she didn't mind having to replace the babies that would probably end up ripped to shreds.

They should start charging the owners of these dogs with manslaughter.

Alice's parents should be charged with her manslaughter. Her death is their fault. No amount of suffering that they will now go through will ever make up for the suffering she went through when her v short life was ended so violently.

What is the solution? Ban people in live in deprived areas from owning dogs?

There has been such a spate of these dog attacks yet these people are still adopting XL Bullies into homes . Do they never heed the warnings .
I actually think these parents should be prosecuted. They have a duty to protect their children and failed . This poor little girl lost her life in a horrific way because by sheer bad luck she had stupid brain dead parent / s. Someone needs to be accountable for this.

You truly can't legislate against this level of stupid

Yes you can. Make it illegal for a list of specific breeds of dog to share a living space with children under ten.