Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413

Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas?

Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

I think Robocop himself would turn down thar job in some areas due to personal safety issues, let alone poor Nigel with only his hi vis jacket to protect him.

Your take on the last sentence of my post might make more sense if the people holding the handheld microchip scanners were police officers with training in how to deal with criminals.

The person I was replying to, if you read my whole post, was talking about dog wardens doing the job.

Dog wardens have no training in how to deal with aggressive owners of aggressive dogs because they're dog wardens not police officers, and given that we don't have the financial resources in this country to trained enough police officers to actually deal with criminals it highly unlikely we have the money to afford to train dog wardens to deal with criminals.

Would you want to go out to work each day totally ill-equipped in the skills to carry out your job in such circumstances? I somehow doubt it.

I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make as your comments make no sense, given the context of my post, but thank you anyway for your delightful observations on my 'batshit reasoning'.

Wow ok, I really don't think there's anything for Londoners in places like that, people stay there because of family or lack of prospects.

I'm sorry that you were misled, there's a reason that it's cheaper!

It's not really talked about or acknowledged so thanks for acknowledging it! Much of the country is a shit hole with absolute scummy people and sadly it's not really addressed at all.

Exactly!!!

you're very welcome, I'm pleased to have assisted you😇

@SicknessAndDiarrhoea You need danger money.
Seriously, are you given any training in what to do if a dog does attack you?

It's not really talked about or acknowledged so thanks for acknowledging it! Much of the country is a shit hole with absolute scummy people and sadly it's not really addressed at all.

Yes, @Tekkentime people never want to hear it. They think it’s a tiny minority of people on sensationalist, shit benefits tv show on channel 5.

But it’s everywhere.

If dogs are social animals rather than pack animals, what is their ancestry? To disprove the pack theory, you either prove that dogs are not the ancestor of wolves, or prove wolves are not a pack animal. Ancestral instinct doesn't get deleted, that's why you get vertigo when looking from a height.

More appropriate to say that a lot of people don't make good owners.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11631133/Cordon-Surrey-country-lane-woman-20s-mauled-death-savage-dog.html

Updates here.

No breeds reported as of yet. But there's more info on the link posted below.

This is the guidelines given to professional dog walkers if anybody wondered.

So it wasn't a random dog and we don't yet know the size of them, however more info has been released.

Amen to that

@Kevinyoutwat -where do you live? That sounds awful.

A dog walker, walking 8 dogs, no one walking 8 dogs has control of them. There should be some sort of licence to be a dog walker and how many dogs you can be in the care of, luckily the didnt kill anyone else!

Some councils require a license for it however it's not regulated properly at all, it should be enforced.

I know if you work for a company walking dogs/dog sitting, they require you to get a license or at least obtain a Level 2 or a Level 3 qualification to meet the Defra Animal Activity Licensing requirements.

Very sad story. But nobody, not even the most experienced person would be able to control 8 dogs on their own. Regardless of size/breeds.

Try reading "In Defence of Dogs" by John Bradshaw.

In a nutshell, dogs have become socialised by humans for so long they are not the same as their wolf/canid ancestors, that's why all dogs recognise other dogs as dogs, and go up to them. Wolves avoid other packs/groups. They don't have to behave as pack animals, are not raised as such, so they don't, hence the social animals theory.

It's an excellent book, very readable, humane and unsentimental about dogs.

If it is the whole pack of dogs, all from different owners that attacked then this must send a shiver down every dog owners spine. It means Attacking is what all dogs are capable of regardless of the owner. Scary! We need strict laws on owning dogs urgently. 8000 plus dog attacks every year in the U.K. this is not a one off.

Every responsible dog owner knows that every dog, regardless of size, is capable of this.

However, a responsible dog walker would be following DEFRA guidelines & would also walk no more than 4 dogs at any time.

In the year ending September 2021, 41,332 women were victims of rape - but that doesn't mean ALL men are rapists.

10 million households in the UK own a dog. We need to push for more responsible owners yes.

All men are capable of rape and murder. Shall we collar all of them too , just in case?

@Pointerdogsrule exactly.

@Banbigdogs2023 You do know the dogs most likely to bite you are small dogs don't you? A very big dog is more likely to lick you than bite you .

I wouldn't even try explaining this to them, I've spent all day trying to explain so much to them but they just don't like big dogs, and have said they don't like most dogs for that matter 🙈

I used to be a dog walker. NEVER more than four at a time. If I unavoidably had more than four, then one stayed in the van and was swapped out and we went to an area where the van was parked close by and remained in view. I was licensed and insured.

I would be extremely surprised if all the seven dogs attacked the walker. Far more likely it was one, maybe two/three. I read that they had to search for the other dogs as they’d fled, which suggests to me that at least a couple of the dogs scattered away in fear and that would certainly be my experience of when dogs fight or attack - smaller, younger dogs terrified and run off. No victim blaming but I am horrified that she was in charge of 7/8 - impossible to manage that many dogs. Some walkers go in pairs so they can take 8 at a time - in line with regs. I never did that as I believe the more dogs, the more potential for aggro amongst them and even two walkers can’t efficiently deal with that. I’ll be interested to know what breed the dog(s) who took part in the attack were.

@yorkshirepudsx Good to see you and some posters here are taking a sensible approach rather than the general hysteria.

@BethDuttonsTwin yes exactly!! I don't personally see it as victim blaming don't worry, sometimes bad things happen because of bad decisions.