Page 14 | Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

icelolly12 · 2023-01-13T08:32:48+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413 Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas? Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

Greatly · 13/01/2023 15:09

lieselotte · 13/01/2023 15:05

You don't need to live in the rural countryside for dogs to be a problem.

But I think a lot of farmers find dogs a menace so it's not the case that everyone loves dogs in the countryside, far from it.

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They aren't a problem usually. But people often walk them off lead and just kick poo into the hedges. Some of the people on this thread would have a conniption

Farmers don't find "dogs" a menace. I've yet to meet a farmer who doesn't own at least one dog. They find stupid owners who have dogs with no recall a menace. It's the only time mine are on a lead (livestock)

MarshaBradyo · 13/01/2023 15:09

Petersonuk2 · 13/01/2023 14:53

I think 80% of these issues can be cleared up simply banning the breeding of staffys and bulldogs.

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You may be right.

JanusTheFirst · 13/01/2023 15:09

FrangipaniBlue · 13/01/2023 14:53

All the people shouting for muzzles know nothing about dogs.

Muzzling a dog only addresses the symptom; it does not address the cause.

I know a muzzled dog can't bite strangers. That's all I need to know.

lieselotte · 13/01/2023 15:09

justgettingthroughtheday · 13/01/2023 14:41

The owners were not present. They cannot be held responsible for their dogs actions when not there! 🤷🏻‍♀️

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They can - because as a pp said "As I understand it this specific instance was related to a group of people who live largely outside of the law". That is my understanding from the Times article (they've now turned off comments but the local commentators were making comments relating to a group of people living in the immediate area). If true, they are very much responsible.

Greatly · 13/01/2023 15:10

MarshaBradyo · 13/01/2023 15:09

You may be right.

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I tend to agree and I know some lovely staffys

mincedtart · 13/01/2023 15:10

Greatly · 13/01/2023 15:01

I rarely put my dogs on a lead.

Tbf we rarely see another human on our walks, apart from occasional other nice friendly dog owners.

I know admitting this is akin to murder on Mumsnet but there you go. Dogs are 12 and 13, one's big, one's small.

Wow congrats here’s 5 imaginary points.

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/01/2023 15:10

Pointerdogsrule · 13/01/2023 13:13

As you can tell from my screenname, dog lover here.

You can introduce all these things and there are fines already for fouling parks and streets with dog muck, for not keeping your dog under control, etc.

The simple fact is most owners are responsible and they also have non-aggressive, well socialised dogs. They pick up after them.

But then there's a tier of owner who are fucking clueless, the dog is a fashion , a fad, they don't train them never mind pick up their shit. They are useless and akin to parents who let their kids run wild in busy restaurants with waiters carrying hot food. These people don't care about laws and rules, they think they are above them.

Then their are fuckers , horrible people will continue to own dogs and see them as weapons and wont socialise them, they want them vying for blood, these are the most dangerous, and they don't give. a fuck about laws.

Dogs are just a reflection of the people that own them- most people are good, decent, a minority are feckless and some are just fucking evil.

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Spot on.

Introducing licences etc just penalises responsible owners. The twts will continue to be twts.

Greatly · 13/01/2023 15:11

mincedtart · 13/01/2023 15:10

Wow congrats here’s 5 imaginary points.

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Thanks!

Kevinyoutwat · 13/01/2023 15:13

FrangipaniBlue · 13/01/2023 15:07

I'd love to hear the other side of this story.

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Why?

I was standing with my toddler in a pushchair in a play area waiting for my older child.

A dog, who shouldn’t have been in there, but you often find dogs in there, jumped up onto my child. This was a one off for us as the play are is full of parents letting their dogs in too. My older child had been on a play date. The parent text me to say she was talking them to this park - I went to get my older child as it’s unsafe there.

The absolute scumbags of the owner didn’t care and all the other scumbag friends of hers in the park didn’t either.

But please, tell me, what would the other side of the story have been?

Petersonuk2 · 13/01/2023 15:13

Greatly · 13/01/2023 15:10

I tend to agree and I know some lovely staffys

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Lovely 99.999% of the time.. then it decides to Rip a 5yo child's face off

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/01/2023 15:14

Pointerdogsrule · 13/01/2023 13:21

How on Earth would that work???

Pitbulls are tiny compared to Lab's or Golden retrievers which despite being one of the most populus breeds in the world, have a virtually clean record of attacking humans?

I've been around dogs all my life and you'd be hard pressed to get a huge Great Danes to attack a human unprovoked, they are soppy and dopey.

Its not size , its not even breed, its the fuckers who own them.

Life sentances for owning a dog that attacks unprovoked would be a start.

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FrangipaniBlue · 13/01/2023 15:14

Greatly · 13/01/2023 11:52

You are right, they won't give a shit about complying but if the MAJORITY of people are complying and there is appropriate enforcement in place, it highlights those who don't comply

It's quite sweet that people think this would be in any way a deterrent for some sectors of society

Massively missing my point........

Railwayroad · 13/01/2023 15:15

staffys and other bull breeds are not born aggressive. It’s not the breed, it’s the owners. Used to Rottweiler and Doberman’s that were the breed many dodgy people owned. Out of vogue now and bull breeds are the choice. Any dog can be aggressive if it is mistreated.

justgettingthroughtheday · 13/01/2023 15:16

lieselotte · 13/01/2023 15:04

My dogs have been the only thing stopping me from suicide at times. How dare you suggest people like me don't need them!!!
And for what it's worth my dogs are NEVER off lead in public. In fact they are rarely walked in public anymore due to other people's out of control dogs

Well there you go. Maybe dog owners should lobby their fellow dog owners to train their dogs and keep them under control - not just for the "irrational dogphobic" people, but also for the sake of other dogs and their owners.

I do!! Every fucking day! You have no idea how many times I have reported, tried to educate and proactively promoted responsible ownership.
I'm sick to death of people not controlling their dogs. My own dog is reactive and terrified of offlead dogs coming up to her on lead. Every time she gains some confidence some twat let's their hound run up and undoes all the hard work I have put it.

Something needs to be done yes. But that doesn't mean that those of us who do control our dogs should pay the price for idiots who can't. It would be horrid for my other dog to never be allowed offlead when it's safe for her to be. She rarely is now because she's arthritic and overdoes it too quickly.

FigTreeInEurope · 13/01/2023 15:16

JanusTheFirst · 13/01/2023 15:09

I know a muzzled dog can't bite strangers. That's all I need to know.

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Our doberman weighs 40kg. If she jumped up at a stranger it would likely hurt them, never mind biting. She doesn't, because she's trained and socialised. Hours and hours of training as a puppy, and a lifetime of being taken everywhere and exposed to every aspect of life. You can't lock a dog in the kitchen while you're at work all day, and expect it to behave like a seeing eye dog! You reap what you sow, and muzzles are a poor substitute for that training and socialisation. If you were being threatened, would you feel more or less scared/aggressive with your hands tie up?

LuluBlakey1 · 13/01/2023 15:19

According to the Mail now , it was a dog walker, walking 8 dogs, one attacked her and 7 ran away into the woods- scared I imagine.

Petersonuk3 · 13/01/2023 15:21

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Slowgrowingelm · 13/01/2023 15:22

If these dogs do belong to a certain community, as suggested in the times comments (before they were shut off), does that mean the dog walker was actually a member of the community, out with the dogs?
Or has it been announced the dog walker was a paid dog walker (In which case the comments are probably not accurate- I can’t imagine people within that community would pay for a dog walker, the dogs are normally left to run wild aren’t they?).

GoingtotheWinchester · 13/01/2023 15:24

The “criminals and thugs brigade wouldn’t care” is a weird argument for not having licences. They don’t care about any rules and laws so we might as well do away with all of them if we took that argument to it’s logical conclusion 🤷‍♀️.

What it would help prevent (not stop obviously but help) is clueless fuckers owning and breeding dogs that are untrained, uncared for and unwanted. It might also help stop some people from even considering dog ownership as it isn’t something that could be done on a whim anymore like so many of my incredibly naive friends did over lockdown 🙄.

bonzaitree · 13/01/2023 15:27

Licenses to breed / sell dogs would help IMO.

Proper breeders breed for looks, health AND temperament.

If a dog is genetically aggressive or reactive then there is little an owner can do. It’s not all about early training, socialisation etc. sometimes a dog is just poorly bread.

The government won’t do it ofc. Costs money so computer says no.

FrangipaniBlue · 13/01/2023 15:28

Exactly @GoingtotheWinchester but apparently thinking that makes us sweet and naive

ZoeCM · 13/01/2023 15:29

One of Princess Anne's bull terriers bit two children, and another killed one of the late Queen's corgis. And she's very experienced with dogs, and can easily afford to hire behaviourists. It can't just be the owner, the breed must play a role as well. Dog breeds were created to have certain traits, and unfortunately in some breeds that means higher levels of aggression.

EmmaEmerald · 13/01/2023 15:31

Slowgrowingelm · 13/01/2023 15:22

If these dogs do belong to a certain community, as suggested in the times comments (before they were shut off), does that mean the dog walker was actually a member of the community, out with the dogs?
Or has it been announced the dog walker was a paid dog walker (In which case the comments are probably not accurate- I can’t imagine people within that community would pay for a dog walker, the dogs are normally left to run wild aren’t they?).

Latest I heard on radio was that the lady might have been attacked by her own dogs. Mum used to have an Alsatian - this was growing up in another country. She adored that dog but as adult, never wanted one, it was her parents who had it. She has a theory that any dog can just "turn". I've never owned one but maybe I should think twice about interacting with friendly dogs, I dunno.

FrownedUpon · 13/01/2023 15:36

FrangipaniBlue · 13/01/2023 14:53

All the people shouting for muzzles know nothing about dogs.

Muzzling a dog only addresses the symptom; it does not address the cause.

I don’t care about the cause. I just want to know that I won’t be attacked and bitten when I’m on a walk.

DespinaDidit · 13/01/2023 15:38

Given how many people are murdered every day by other people I’d like to know why the OP is focusing on dogs and not humans. Humans do revolting and disgusting things to each other day in day out.