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So the NHS has long gone

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DarkKarmaIlama · 19/12/2022 15:34

At what point do we think the government will do something about the massive elephant in the room the NHS has fucked off out of the window and is never returning.

This healthcare no man’s land is quite frankly terrifying. What are your predictions on this? All I keep reading is “it will get worse”. Can it actually get any worse?

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Honper · 19/12/2022 20:45

Don't blame the public for this. The service is in a shocking state and people are genuinely frightened and alarmed. It is not nice living in a country with poor healthcare.

TheSnootiestFox · 19/12/2022 20:49

tunthebloodyalarmoff · 19/12/2022 17:58

Never had a problem with it always had brilliant service. Can't stand people that knock it and moan about it when they should think themselves bloody lucky to have it. Bore off

Yup. That's just what I thought as I sold my house to pay for the medical treatment I needed to keep me walking but the NHS refused to give me. Absolutely. Bore off yourself 🙄

Alexandra2001 · 19/12/2022 20:49

Lack of new nurses because the bursery has been taken away. Student nurses now face 45k of debt before starting...

Nurses (on starting pay) pay back less than £11 a month & now get £5k per year as a contribution to living costs...

My DD only got it for a year.... worked as a carer through Uni... so saved the 5k and went on holiday to Europe and Asia before starting work.

Its retention thats the issue.. DD is leaving as our lots of colleagues... its very stressful and ultimately badly paid with poor progression.

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EmmaAgain22 · 19/12/2022 22:21

Babyroobs · 19/12/2022 20:44

We lived in new zealand for some years and paid $60 NZ ( about £20 at the time ) to see a GP and for things like physio. Hospital care was free. I think people could pay something towards hospital care - at least for meals, surely they would be buying them at home. Over 60's could be paying for prescriptions - many are still working until 67. We have just got too used to having everything for free but don't want to pay the taxes for it. I work with a lot of elderly people. Some have a lot of savings but still begrudge paying for carers to come in. the charity I work for provides home care at reasonable price per hour for cleaning or personal care but people say it's too much so they struggle on until things reach crisis point. It is clear that it's not just the NHS that's overwhelmed though, the whole adult social care system is collapsing.

I genuinely didn't know prescriptions were free from 60. I thought it was 75.

60 is mad.

sinkyt · 19/12/2022 22:24

I genuinely didn't know prescriptions were free from 60.

they certainly won't be for the younger generations!

And why don't working pensioners pay NI?

Babyroobs · 19/12/2022 22:28

EmmaAgain22 · 19/12/2022 22:21

I genuinely didn't know prescriptions were free from 60. I thought it was 75.

60 is mad.

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It is madness. it should be means tested like other things. you can get a pre-paid certificate for £100 a year to cover as many prescriptions as you need. Many pensioners are sitting on tens of thousands in savings/ buy to lets etc. By all means keep it free for those who have little but many pensioners are not short of money.

user1497207191 · 19/12/2022 22:58

sinkyt · 19/12/2022 22:24

I genuinely didn't know prescriptions were free from 60.

they certainly won't be for the younger generations!

And why don't working pensioners pay NI?

Why don’t landlords pay NIC on profits? It’s a business after all. Especially those with multiple properties or holiday lettings.

sinkyt · 19/12/2022 23:02

@user1497207191 they should but this is a thread about the NHS & impact of an ageing population...

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 19/12/2022 23:13

Do you enjoy spouting hyperbole to frighten people in real life OP, or just online? MN is either full of mentally unwell chronic catastrophizers or peevish goady fuckers seeking to affect others' mental health. Which are you?

bellamountain · 19/12/2022 23:29

We have a shortage of everything in this country. That's hospitals, healthcare professionals, schools, housing.... the list goes on. There has been no provision for a growing / ageing population and it's only going to get worse. Where are the new hospitals and staff the government promised for starters?

It may well be that in the future we will have to start paying for healthcare, but under 18s and OAPs will be exempt.

user1497207191 · 19/12/2022 23:37

bellamountain · 19/12/2022 23:29

We have a shortage of everything in this country. That's hospitals, healthcare professionals, schools, housing.... the list goes on. There has been no provision for a growing / ageing population and it's only going to get worse. Where are the new hospitals and staff the government promised for starters?

It may well be that in the future we will have to start paying for healthcare, but under 18s and OAPs will be exempt.

I disagree with an assumption of oaps being exempt. Lots have more money than workers and already don’t pay NIC. We can’t keep adding more burdens onto the workforce - we’ve already got nic,student loan deductions, workplace pension deductions, child benefit claw back etc which don’t affect oaps. If anything we need to means test all state benefits for oaps, even free prescriptions.

Fifi00 · 20/12/2022 00:08

user1497207191 · 19/12/2022 23:37

I disagree with an assumption of oaps being exempt. Lots have more money than workers and already don’t pay NIC. We can’t keep adding more burdens onto the workforce - we’ve already got nic,student loan deductions, workplace pension deductions, child benefit claw back etc which don’t affect oaps. If anything we need to means test all state benefits for oaps, even free prescriptions.

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OAPs are the highest users of healthcare so shouldn't be exempt if they have the assets to pay. Under 18s should be free they are the future.

Babyroobs · 20/12/2022 00:26

Petersonuk · 19/12/2022 19:35

I can walk to my local wetherspoons pub now and see the same old middle-aged men binge drinking cheap lager whilst popping out for a fag with their cheap amberleaf baccy rollups.

Tomorrow i can go there and see the same faces as the day before.. and so on and so on.

In the next couple of decades these people are going to collect cost the NHS millions and millions of pounds in cancer care and various other ailments they're going to get.

Agree with this. I've worked in cancer care for many years and I'd say 90% of those with lung cancer, head and neck cancers, oesophageal cancers are heavy drinkers and/ or smokers. Not to mention the havoc that chronic conditions like COPD ad emphysema cause to health for years on end. I assist people to claim disability benefits and the good proportion of the clients have debilitating COPD and long term lung conditions. The houses just reek of cigarette smoke, i come out stinking of it.

Schlaar · 20/12/2022 00:33

Good jobs are already starting to offer healthcare. DH’s employer got sick of staff staying off for dr appointments at awkward times, so they signed up to a service where you can video call a dr the same day and get your prescription via email. They also offer health insurance which doesn’t cover the basics but does cover any big health problems and surgeries etc, so people can get treated and get back to work. We are going to have a two tier society where the lucky/ wealthy have private care and the rest have to persevere with the NHS.

EmmaAgain22 · 20/12/2022 00:35

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 19/12/2022 23:13

Do you enjoy spouting hyperbole to frighten people in real life OP, or just online? MN is either full of mentally unwell chronic catastrophizers or peevish goady fuckers seeking to affect others' mental health. Which are you?

My experiences over the last few years suggest the same. I think someone upthread made a comment about media...the first time mum was on a trolley for 16 hours, a young co-worker said "I thought they made that stuff up to sell papers". I was stunned he could think that!

EmmaAgain22 · 20/12/2022 00:36

bellamountain · 19/12/2022 23:29

We have a shortage of everything in this country. That's hospitals, healthcare professionals, schools, housing.... the list goes on. There has been no provision for a growing / ageing population and it's only going to get worse. Where are the new hospitals and staff the government promised for starters?

It may well be that in the future we will have to start paying for healthcare, but under 18s and OAPs will be exempt.

Shortage of everything or serious overpopulation problem?

Liebig · 20/12/2022 00:46

EmmaAgain22 · 20/12/2022 00:36

Shortage of everything or serious overpopulation problem?

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Well…

So the NHS has long gone
sinkyt · 20/12/2022 05:10

It may well be that in the future we will have to start paying for healthcare, but under 18s and OAPs will be exempt.

currently there are more over 65s than under 15s, it's not sustainable for laps to be excerpt.

sinkyt · 20/12/2022 05:10

exempt

crimsonpeak · 20/12/2022 06:05

In the last week alone I’ve had an X-ray off the back of a GP consultation, which, while it was tricky to book, went really smoothly and on time, in clean surroundings and with very pleasant NHS staff. I got my results in one working day. I’ve also had an emergency specialist appointment for one of my DC due to suspected strep a and received free medication for his health condition. I used 111 last night who kindly booked me a GP phone consultation for my DC this morning.
only my recent experiences of the NHS but I’m incredibly thankful for it. There are massive issues with overstretch and underfunding but when it gets it right, it gets it right.

Willmafrockfit · 20/12/2022 07:17

the NHS is not going anywhere,
people are living too long? what on earth does that mean, and what is the solution?

helford · 20/12/2022 07:48

Shortage of everything or serious overpopulation problem?

Lack of long term planning (which proves both the above) is inviting up to 5m HK to come here, even changing the law to allow so, yet nothing has been done to improve services, many are also quite old.

We get told the problems in health etc and then either make matters worse or do nothing.

Both parties support using private health to reduce waiting lists, Private health will need to increase capacity & staff and they will get the staff from the NHS.

Which along with reduced funding (not increased in line with inflation) is effective privatisation of the NHS.

Lucy7890 · 20/12/2022 07:59

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DarkKarmaIlama · 20/12/2022 08:16

@PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog

I am neither. I have read this thread and found many points very interesting indeed. Lots of people are incredibly worried about our healthcare system at the moment and that doesn’t make us mentally Ill or goady fuckers. If anyone sounds a little unhinged it’s you. You sound incredibly angry. People are allowed to discuss the state of the NHS right now. Personally I find people like yourself a little bit odd. Some people refer to the NHS as some sort of religion and now I can see why, with posters like yourself.

So the NHS has long gone
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user1497207191 · 20/12/2022 08:20

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I fully agree. People are in denial and it'll get worse. The NHS could start offering "co-payment" options for different levels of care, i.e. for a private room, or "top up" for a better hearing aid etc., but political dogma won't allow that as everyone has to be equal! So those with access to money take it to the private sector instead and the NHS misses out on money generating options.