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Are things in the UK as bad as it sounds in the news?

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Lolobella · 13/12/2022 11:04

I left the UK in 2017 and now live in Europe. I obviously still follow the UK news closely and visit, although I have no family left there.

In the last few months the UK news have become increasingly grim and concerning. I can't tell if it is just the news painting the country in a worse light than necessary, or if things are genuinely as bad as the news make it sound.

Obviously this is a tough historical moment for many countries, but the doom and gloom in UK news is just on another level and makes if sound like the country is in free fall. Poverty, strikes, crazy energy prices, failing NHS and public services.. Is it really so bad?!

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Bunnyfuller · 14/12/2022 19:52

@RonnieJazz 😂😂😂 Brexit is Remainers fault.

HI BORIS!

Justnosing · 14/12/2022 19:52

Going against the grain but no, it’s not as bad as the media makes out.

obviously there are people struggling (as always) and yes there are more people feeling the pinch than usual. Yes energy prices have gone up. But the way the media is acting is like no one’s got a pound to their name.

I come from a working class family, Im no longer classed as working class but nobody around me seems to be struggling at all including my family (some of which are unemployed). Just feeling a bit more of a pinch.

2020Raquet · 14/12/2022 19:55

Lolobella · 13/12/2022 12:23

Actually where I live (Switzerland) energy prices have gone up, but not as drastically as in the UK. I estimate they more or less doubled. However, they were very affordable previously compared to average household income, so it is not that difficult for most households to accommodate the increase.

A quick google shows that energy prices in Switzerland have gone up by more than 300% in 2022 with an expected 280% anticipated for 2023. Have the government put policies in place to stop this being passed on to consumers?

Bs0u416d · 14/12/2022 19:59

I think it depends on your perspective. Personally, I feel untouched by the rises in cost of living. Like most of our friends, it’s something we have been able to absorb and we are very fortunate in that regard. Equally, we are youngish and (touch wood) don't really have much contact with the NHS as service users (though DP is an NHS consultant). That said, I see people around me struggling and I fear for much of the population. Things are desperately bleak for many people, and we seem to have reverted to an almost Victorian society in terms of equality. People are afraid to keep themselves warm, struggling to pay fuel to get to work, struggling to put shoes on their children’s feet and worried about how to pay for Christmas. It really is bleak for many people and it's terribly sad. There isn’t an obvious end in sight either and I think many people feel hopeless about the future.

Odessafile · 14/12/2022 20:01

@MarshaBradyo Furlough was easily abused by many. I know of several small businesses locally who allegedly took advantage of free money for extensions and new cars whilst still working. But the government has point blank refused to investigate and claw back that money whilst at the same time rewarding their cronies with dodgy PPE deals worth millions.
We all knew lockdown would have later consequences but a half competent trustworthy government wouldn't have got into the mess it did.

crackofdoom · 14/12/2022 20:04

I'm a bit of a Pollyanna normally and like to make the best of things, but things really hit home today when chatting to a Ukrainian refugee whose child is in DS's class. She cannot believe how terrible our healthcare is, and asked us how we had even managed to survive to adulthood! So, we're worse off than a statistically much poorer, currently war torn country apparently 😬

JocelynBurnell · 14/12/2022 20:06

UK living standards and wages have fallen significantly behind those of Western Europe. Britain’s government chose austerity over investment.

One country in whose typical household income is similar to the UK is France – around €34,000 in 2018. But even there, the similarities hide big differences.

The rich in the UK have incomes 17% higher than their equivalents in France.

The poorest households have to survive on incomes a staggering 20% lower than those in France (£14,700 v £18,500). That means higher poverty in the UK, lower living standards and no margin when things go wrong for those in the UK.

Things are now going very wrong. The UK is the only G7 country with smaller economy than before the pandemic and the price of food, energy and other essentials is increasing more rapidly in the UK.

Brexit limits our options for growth. The UK will probably have no choice but to sign a trade deal with the US but that will take years and will be on their terms. The US will require access to the healthcare market here and the price of this trade deal will be the disbandment of the NHS.

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ScotsBluebell · 14/12/2022 20:06

I would say they're worse. My son lives and works in Stockholm, and although they have inflation and post Covid problems, nothing there is as bad as here. 12 years of a hard right Tory government plus Brexit have ruined the UK. I have never, in my whole life, loathed a government as much as I do this one. I'm usually quite easy-going. I could understand why people might vote for different parties. I was never an ideologue. Now, I go to bed despising them for their greed and intolerance and wake up despising them for what they've done to a country that - around the time of the London Olympics - seemed to be reasonably sane with some hope for the future. No longer. In Scotland we have the added rage that we were told voting for independence would mean leaving the EU. Then we were dragged out of it in the hardest possible way. I'm lucky. I have dual nationality. If I were younger, I wouldn't stay here a minute longer than I had to.

MandarinCat · 14/12/2022 20:15

JocelynBurnell · 14/12/2022 20:06

UK living standards and wages have fallen significantly behind those of Western Europe. Britain’s government chose austerity over investment.

One country in whose typical household income is similar to the UK is France – around €34,000 in 2018. But even there, the similarities hide big differences.

The rich in the UK have incomes 17% higher than their equivalents in France.

The poorest households have to survive on incomes a staggering 20% lower than those in France (£14,700 v £18,500). That means higher poverty in the UK, lower living standards and no margin when things go wrong for those in the UK.

Things are now going very wrong. The UK is the only G7 country with smaller economy than before the pandemic and the price of food, energy and other essentials is increasing more rapidly in the UK.

Brexit limits our options for growth. The UK will probably have no choice but to sign a trade deal with the US but that will take years and will be on their terms. The US will require access to the healthcare market here and the price of this trade deal will be the disbandment of the NHS.

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Agree with all of this and it's so bloody depressing.

Irongiant · 14/12/2022 20:20

Yes things are bad here. The proliferation of food banks in recent years and now warm banks is demonstration of the spread of poverty across our communities. Also, the number of people presenting to local authorities as homeless is continuing to increase while support services are squeezed or scrapped due to service cuts. I have seen homeless individuals given a tent by the local council as there is no alternative provision, and in winter too.
Also, one of the biggest stresses on hospitals is caused by the pressures on social services. If you need support at home to leave hospital or a bed in a care home, the support is not there. There aren’t enough carers and there aren’t enough beds so desperately needed hospital beds are filled with those who shouldn’t be there but can’t be moved on. The problem is that these services had been chipped away to the bone before Covid was an added strain. 12 years of Tory cuts have decimated our public services.
Obviously, not everyone will experience the poverty, the long hospital waiting lists, the energy crisis pushing them into a hard choice of heating or eating, the difficulty of finding and keeping a roof over their heads, but a greater number of people are now. Great if you’re not impacted, but try not to get ill, and don’t get old.

LaDamaDeElche · 14/12/2022 20:20

Rewis · 14/12/2022 18:53

I think uk media is making it sound worse than it is. The struggles are similar to other countries but when I compare to my home countries news it is a lot more dramatic in the UK.

Definitely. There should be strikes and riots in Spain, but there never are. The fact that unemployment benefit is only paid for a period of time and after that there is nothing...can you imagine that in the U.K.? Also the fact that it's paid as a percentage of the last six months of your final salary as opposed to a flat sum for all, no housing benefit, no tax credits, no child benefit - apart from for babies, no benefits for childcare contributions, the fact that many people are paid part of their salary cash in hand because it's so expensive to employ people, so miss out on full benefits and can end up wit reduced pensions etc etc. There are so many countries in a worse state at the moment. I don't know anyone irl in the U.K. who is really struggling in comparison to what I see here on a day-to-day basis. Here it's much more prevalent, but there was never the level of spending on "stuff" to begin with, so the cutting back for many people is cutting back on an already quite frugal life.

LuluBlakey1 · 14/12/2022 20:23

Yes, it's terrible.
Energy prices are absolutely shocking and the government, as usual, is allowing and condoning the absolute greed of energy companies who are makes hundreds of billions of profit from this. Meanwhile many, many people are freezing cold in their houses, scared to use their heating. They will increase again in April.

Local council budgets have been cut back every year for 12 years - ours has lost 88 million a year so far. Our local services are shit.

Food is very expensive and many items have almost doubled, or more, in price. Food bills have rocketed and supermarket profits have increased by tens of millions which indicates supermarket greed.

Fuel is another rip-off with car owners filling the pockets of supermarkets and fuel suppliers who refuse to lower prices despite them now pying significantly less than they were.

Every service is worse- small traders are overwhelmed by work and charging a fortune for small jobs. It's almost impossible to find oddjob people who will come for a day and sort out several small issues. Builders prices have increased dramatically.

Prices for insurance of all types has increased significantly more than usual.

There are shortages of many items, across the board. Pharmacies are struggling to keep ontop of drug and medicine supplies, food shortages, always empty shelves to be seen in supermarkets.

Many people are poor- literally poor, unable to buy decent food, clothing or heat their homes.

There are more people homeless than in the last 25 years.

The gap between rich and poor is at its widest ever.

The NHS is in a terrible state having been ground down over 12 years. We spend less on healthcare per person than any country in Europe by a huge amount.

Public service salaries have been significantly de-valued by this government. There are large shortages (over 50,000) of teachers, nurses, police officers. People leave these professions in droves and recruitment is poor to all 3. We need to train at least 8,000 more Drs every year.

We have few high-level skills based industries any more and there has been a complete failure to develop our manufacturing base. That means our jobs market is mainly low-level skills based- so although there are jobs they are badly paid and have no career path so do not motivate anyone.

Let me give you some recent examples I have come across:
3 local pharmacies, when I asked about medicine availability, explained they are finding it very difficult to maintain supplies due to Brexit. Most medicines are made in the EU- paperwork is a nightmare and prices to UK have shot up.

A friend of ours owns a builders merchant business. He told me yesterday that:
a) He buys his wood supply for woodburners from a place in the Scottish borders- good quality, properly prepared, proper paper trail etc so no issues, always fair prices. The wood comes from Latvia. Germany (who previously bought very little) have bought all the wood this Latvian company can produce because they are not buying gas from Russia so everyone is getting woodburners.The Latvian company prefers to supply Germany. The company in the borders is now looking for another supplier but prices will shoot up. I asked why he does not buy British wood. He said we have the wood but we have no processing industry to support it.
He also buys Indian sandstone paving. It has not increased in price for 10 years. This year the price has rocketed- not because the price of the sandstone has increased, (it hasn't) but because the carriers have increased their carriage costs- shipping and road- from £600 a container to £6,200.
All of these costs are passed on to us. The British public are being screwed by greedy capitalists using the excuse of the pandemic, the war in the Ukraine, economic recession etc.
DH, who is a Head in a secondary school, has had a surplus budget for years and uses it to improve resources in the school. This year he will be £400,000 in deficit- and that is the lowest secondary school deficit in his LA where every single secondary school has a deficit budget - only 2 had last year.
We have a culture where we have somehow encouraged a large group in society, who could work and should work, to not work - they rely on benefits and feel entitled to them. I'm not talking about the old/disabled/sick, I'm talking about the idle, sub group we all know about . They cost us a fortune, don't want to work, want their rents paid, benefits to live on, have a range of allowances, are big users of our public services in crisis- police, social services, children's services, addiction services, Mental Health services, NHS, ambulances. They are known to all of these services. If you mention this group on MNET you are shouted down.
Britain is filthy. It's a horrible place- shallow, offensive, entitled, lazy attitudes amongst many residents, it has a corrupt government who are tipping hundreds of millions of ££s of public money into the bank accounts of their capitalist friends.

It will take decades to get us out of this mess and the fall-out will cost lives and futures of our most vulnerable people.

Odessafile · 14/12/2022 20:29

@Justnosing What's your opinion on the state of public services ? Or how the incumbent government has behaved - management of the economy, corruption etc ?
Funny you say your unemployed relatives are doing fine. Presumably they have savings ? And 'feeling the pinch' can mean anything.....

nannykatherine · 14/12/2022 20:29

Other countries in Europe are just as bad
France has power cuts regularly
we haven’t had that yet

Soothsayer1 · 14/12/2022 20:31

The gap between rich and poor is at its widest ever
this is very bad for society as a whole, a big indicator that we are failing😟

Redrosesandsunsets · 14/12/2022 20:32

By the way for as long as I can remember the British have a habit of saying, the NHS is on its knees. Doesn’t matter which government is in or what’s happening the NHS is on its knees. The uk has an Nhs. That’s way more than other countries I guess. Could it do better? Yes, but maybe how we do healthcare is changing. Maybe there is more emphasis on lifestyle, being healthy and healthy people. The medical field is changing and lifestyles are changing (the govt often shifts their country towards this - less smoking, encouraging physical activity, education kids around building a healthy nation) but mindsets in more of the older ones and toward the Nhs has not changed. I think looking at other countries and what’s happening with the medical world it was bound to change. The world is changing I guess someone needs to step up and work towards seeing how the Nhs can improve and that the govt needs to prepare the Nhs for what it will look like in 20-30 years time to benefit the people, and yes it will look different. Who is willing to do something about that ? Job applications, apply here …

Justnosing · 14/12/2022 20:33

No they don’t have savings that I’m aware of because they’ve been on benefits their whole lives.

Obviously public services are (predominantly) a shambles particularly the NHS but I do believe that would be better off being privatised at its current state. Sad but true. People shouldn’t be paying national insurance for a shambolic service such as the nhs. They should get the choice to put that money towards private insurance in my opinion. It’s been a shit show for a very long time. For some reason people feel they can’t say anything bad about it but the truth is it’s a disgrace. It’s not the fault of nurses or doctors on the frontline but it really is appalling.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2022 20:37

Soothsayer1 · 14/12/2022 20:31

The gap between rich and poor is at its widest ever
this is very bad for society as a whole, a big indicator that we are failing😟

I see this a fair bit but looking at ONS -

Income inequality decreased by 1.0 percentage point after all taxes and benefits between FYE 2020 and FYE 2021, following a 10-year period of relative stability.

oth people receive benefits than pay taxes which I do think is a tipping point for society. Partly due to Covid but still I wouldn’t want that to get higher

RosesAndHellebores · 14/12/2022 20:41

And who @LuluBlakey1 initially encouraged people not to work and subsidised many many people to limit work through the introuduction of working tax credit and the 16 hour rule.. I believe it was a chap called Bliar. The same chap who let PFI rip through the NHS and is now as rich as croesus.

I work in London. We cannot recruit administrators on £28 to £35k. We need people with a good foundation education. Our applicants are Post 92 graduates who cannot construct a grammatically correct sentence or convert 25% to a fraction. When one occasionally gets through the in-tray test they repeatedly bleat they want to be involved in strategic projects before they learnt to organise their time and tasks on Microsoft Office.

In other parts of my life my Surrey Town is very clean, services are good, except NHS, schools are excellent and I don't personally know anyone entitled who doesn't want to work and indeed hasn't worked for the last 35 to 40 years. Their well educated children are similar. Many of those nasty old capitalists have paid tax in spades, been quite philanthropic and have not used public services despite making full contributions to them.

I believe head teachers' salaries often now exceed £100k. They are top earners in the UK. I hope no left wing professional ever looks for a tax efficiency insofar as their personal affairs are concerned. I imagine they could never live with themselves.

E17Stowmum · 14/12/2022 20:45

Oh no you mustn't listen to the doomsters
and gloomsters on here running down their own country.
Now that the full benefits of Brexit are working through, you are welcome back to the sunlit uplands of the free-market economy that so many of us mums enjoy. Even better for the ones who voted Leave and proved Project Fear so badly wrong.
Come on in!

Middleagedspreadisreal · 14/12/2022 20:49

Yes

PetuniaT · 14/12/2022 20:51

Acheyknees · 13/12/2022 12:15

Have energy costs in Europe not gone up OP?

Of course they have - all the ills we face in the UK are worldwide problems too but most in this country are too self-centred and inward looking. Just look at some of the trivial things gripe about on this site and ask "AIBU".

Fordian · 14/12/2022 20:56

I read at least 50% of this 500+ thread.

Things are not looking great for an awful lot of people in the UK as a result of Brexit, voting Tory, Covid and Ukraine. 65% of this is our fault -Brexit, yes; voting Tory, yes; late response to Covid; corruption in PPE sourcing/care-homes- yes a fair bit; Ukraine, no. (Tho why were we so utterly dependent on overseas power suppliers, regardless of their political situation? 🤔).

I'm 'insulated' in a £100k household; I don't see the pain many are suffering- but I know that it's there.

Dispassionately; I see this as England's reckoning. We are a nation of feudal, cap doffing, drunken, intellectually-suspicious peasants, easily swayed by anyone with a posh accent and quick wit.

It has 'paid off' for long enough, in that the peasantry (many, many of us) haven't frozen or starved; but the balance has tipped to where many might. The mendacious mediocrity that constitutes our current government have scented opportunity, and grabbed it, like any banana republic would.

But we're still 'okay' with that. Given we aren't actually rioting. Cos we're peasants who know our place.

Again, dispassionately, I think England needs this reckoning. It needs the slapping that's coming its way. It needs to understand that a war won 77 years ago needs to no longer inform its dog-whistle reactions to 'Europe'.

England needs proportional representation. A massive uplift in educational standards. A huge public housing program. Proper taxation of second home owners. High inheritance tax. No off-shoring of profits (earn the money/pay the tax). To learn to stop equating posh with clever, let alone altruistically minded. To value high quality vocational training. To pay politicians well, but no second jobs, no lobbying, sensible expenses; not exploitation (warm stables?).

I could go on... 😂

MaxxyQ · 14/12/2022 21:00

It is indeed a dreadful omnishambles - a clusterf__k (to coin a phrase). I had chance to move to new job in Sweden 4 years ago and did not take it. Very much regretting that now. Very much.
What I also note is that plenty of legitimate complaints of 12 years of Tories endless austerity here (not so much brexit though?!). Both are very good reasons for state we are in. Sufficient numbers voted for both these self harming influences to be prominent over last decade - and yet no one on this forum
is owning up to voting that way. Curious.🙄

MissyB1 · 14/12/2022 21:02

Daffi · 14/12/2022 19:31

what are you scared of?

I’m scared of not being able to access healthcare for my family and myself. Dying whilst waiting for an ambulance (yes that is happening to people), dying in the ambulance outside A&E whilst waiting to get in (yes it’s happening), dying in the waiting room (also has happened), dying on a waiting list for surgery.
Or not getting a cancer diagnosed in a timely manner, therefore ending up with incurable disease - happening all the time.

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