Did covid screw anyone else's life up?

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Interested to hear on this as I have been reading a thread where people loved the solidarity of it all. For me it was redundancy, house lost, business lost and savings...

@fromdownwest I took a video on my phone at the time (keeping the staffs faces out of it because it wasnt their fault) in case of gaslighting later on.

Have you not seen the dystopian images of whole blocks locked down, people rushing to escape places of work prior to immediate lockdown?

Zero Covid is horrific in China

Well I've seen Chinese people saying they had 16 days of lockdown in the last three years and 1 in every 10k people ever testing positive. I've done that many days isolating with covid, never mind lockdown and still paying for it now .

Yes I've seen the video of people fleeing lockdown. The first time I saw horrifying scenes of people rushing to avoid it was in London....

You'll only see what you want to see. I've heard the most horrific things via a friend of someone who got out.

Having just looked at the thread currently running showing the resentment towards those receiving the state pension it reminds me of the absolute hypocrisy which occurred which i will never forget. A lot of certain posters only gave a fuck about pensioners and the disabled when they could use them as a stick to emotionally blackmail other groups with over Covid rules and restrictions. And now they have gone back to the default setting of bashing them. I wont be forgetting this shit in a hurry.

Very insightful, Jenny. Old people like me were used as an excuse to inflict untold damage on the young during the pandemic; damage that will take years to recognise let alone correct. I would like to put on record that it was never done in my name. I would have gladly put my life in danger rather than have schools closed and children's lives ruined.

And I'd like to see any of those who resent the state pension try to live on it.

Yes I've seen the video of people fleeing lockdown. The first time I saw horrifying scenes of people rushing to avoid it was in London

Even though it happened in Italy a few weeks before?

I don’t recall horrifying scenes from London.

Italy yes though

I do feel that students were misled going into the 2020-21 academic year about how things were actually going to be

Yes, I agree. I was very glad my son was a year younger and didn't go until 2021, when things were largely normal and his university did hybrid lectures. Going the year before would have been a waste of time (and probably would have been quite damaging mentally).

I would think there would be similar numbers who have died from lack of access to healthcare, yes. The UK was particularly bad at shutting up shop though (eg no access to dentists at all) and I don't know if that was reflected elsewhere.

I think plenty of us are affected by the virus and it is pretty awful. Some are affected by the death of loved ones who died of covid

I think it's easy to say that now that we have vaccines and most of us have had covid and lived to tell the tale, even if it was gruesome at the time. But in March 2020 that wasn't the case.

I think the lockdowns were justified but not to the extent (and lets not forget that people said that we didn't have a proper lockdown in the UK because we were allowed out for exercise!). As an example, we should have been allowed to meet others outside from day one in my view.

The lockdowns were done for one reason and that was to stop Covid.
It was panic mode. No thought to what the consequences would be. No thought to those that would lose businesses and work.
No thought to the affects that lockdown would have on people.
No thought to the suicide rate
No thought to people developing agoraphobia and never working again
No thoughts to those on their own not being able to see friends and family
No thoughts to the rise in dementia diagnosing that will occur over the next few years.

All we got after 2 years of lockdowns was Covid is here to stay and Partygate.

What was the point.

Very little point. The initial three weeks to flatten the curve could have been used to take a deep breath, re-examine and sanity check the previous pandemic plan (the one that was completely ignored in the panic) and move forward with less of a kneejerk reaction.

Instead that time was used to work out how to manipulate or "nudge" the public into more and more fear and acceptance. There were voices - disaster planning specialists, cancer specialists and human rights barristers among them, but they were maligned and drowned out.

I think the lockdowns were justified but not to the extent (and lets not forget that people said that we didn't have a proper lockdown in the UK because we were allowed out for exercise!). As an example, we should have been allowed to meet others outside from day one in my view.

I'm glad you posted this, I think it's helpful for people to see the point about meeting outdoors and exercise to be delivered in a pro lockdown context. Whatever one's stance on lockdown itself, the way in which people were discouraged from being outside getting exercise, fresh air and social contact was ridiculous. We could still have locked down alongside people being encouraged to be outdoors where possible, and had policy and policing with that in mind.

But what actually happened is the population ate more, drank more alcohol, put on weight and became more socially isolated, meaning when they did get covid as nearly all of us have, they were in a worse position to weather it.

„reigatecastle · Today 12:12
ancientgran · 30/10/2022 23:07
Worldometer shows that 6.5 million died of covid, is there any evidence millions and millions died from lockdown?
I would think there would be similar numbers who have died from lack of access to healthcare, yes. The UK was particularly bad at shutting up shop though (eg no access to dentists at all) and I don't know if that was reflected elsewhere.“

watching from Germany, I was appalled to hear dentists in the 🇬🇧 had shut down. I was halfway through a course of tooth implant treatment when Germany locked down. Carried on as normal apart from having to pay for the dentist‘s extra protective clothing.
Other routine preventative care (smears, mammogram etc) carried on as normal. Had incredibly fast, excellent treatment for a cancer scare following a routine check.

of or 'with' covid - Two very different figures that were masseged to drive the lockdown narrative!

Whether they died due to covid or for other reasons is a mute point really - they should have been protected/isolated in hospital to stop them catching it as it can't have helped their recovery from other conditions.

My elderly neighbour broke her hip at home and obviously was admitted to hospital - she may not have survived the hip operation and recovered anyway (I know lots of elderly people don't), but covid pushed her over the edge.
So it's not cut and dried whether she died "of" covid or "with" covid, no one will ever know really, but covid reduced her chances of survival. In those circumstances, I think it's entirely right that she was included in the covid death statistics as it was almost certainly a contributory factor.

I'd also like to see a proper inquiry into why so many people caught covid in hospitals. Nearly all the people I know who will be included in the covid death statistics caught it in hospital whilst they were there for other reasons and had tested negative when they were admitted. I don't know a single person who went into hospital "because" of covid - they caught it once admitted.

It is hardly a mute point, it drives all the data that forced lockdowns upon us.

So someone that had a car crash and died in hospital, and then tested positive for covid with 28 days, would be a 'with' Covid death.

It is far from a mute point, and pivitol to understanding the actual risk and severity of covid to the general public.

*moot

But there's still the issue of whether covid contributed to their death, in which case the death should be included in the figures. Obviously if there was no contributory factor at all, then fair enough, shouldn't have been included. But I suspect in a lot of cases, the fact a patient had covid DID have an impact on their survival chances and helped push them over the edge, when otherwise their body may have had a better chance of fighting whatever illness/condition they were in hospital for.

Moot and mute are two totally different words btw

See my correction

I admit I’m quite surprised to read of so many other people’s negative experiences of the lockdowns. When I posted on MN in mid-2020 in desperation at what was happening to my then-reception age DD’s mental health, I was told her fear and anxiety was my fault, that I wanted people to die, that kids are resilient, and that things were much worse in the Second World War. Anyone who suggested that school closures were damaging, or that kids need social interaction, was met with a barrage of abuse.

My daughter absolutely was damaged by the lockdowns (not covid; the lockdowns) and we are still feeling the effects now to an extent. I will never forgive those on here who belittled my concerns and those of others who were desperately worried for their kids. I note those posters are strangely quiet now it’s been categorically proven that school closures were damaging.

@bookworm14
lockdowns. When I posted on MN in mid-2020 in desperation at what was happening to my then-reception age DD’s mental health, I was told her fear and anxiety was my fault, that I wanted people to die,

totalky this.

I posted everywhere desperately trying to find likeminded who questioned the logic in the insane measures but was told left right and centre how selfish I was and how I must hate old people…
my only allies in that first year were the conspiracy theorists.
I wish people hadn’t been so quiet about disagreeing with the rules if they even did disagree.
I don’t think I will ever want to trust people again.,

Bookworm
It was awful going against the tide, trying to point out harms. I’m glad to see this thread but I only found a few feeling the same back then.