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Why is Sunak entering no 10 without his family supporting him?

226 replies

Dinaprettyballerina · 25/10/2022 12:06

Genuine question or maybe they want to stay completely out of the limelight? Feel a tad sorry for him, he looks so excited:(

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MarshaMelrose · 26/10/2022 20:02

@Aintnosupermum
Sunak has a problem with his wife being a non dom resident. For me, it’s a massive problem and it is far too late to fix it.

But didn't she fix it last April? Here's her statement.

In her statement, Ms Murty said: “In recent days, people have asked questions about my tax arrangements: to be clear, I have paid tax in this country on my UK income and international tax on my international income. This arrangement is entirely legal and how many non-domiciled people are taxed in the UK.

“But it has become clear that many do not feel it is compatible with my husband’s role as Chancellor. I understand and appreciate the British sense of fairness and I do not wish my tax status to be a distraction for my husband or to affect my family.

“For this reason, I will no longer be claiming the remittance basis for tax. This means I will now pay UK tax on an arising basis on all my worldwide income, including dividends and capital gains, wherever in the world that income arises.”

UnicornRidge · 26/10/2022 20:09

MidnightConstellation · 25/10/2022 16:23

Totally agree. Having been in a similar role as a wife I absolutely loathed
being in that situation. It’s time moved on .

I like it too. Keeping the kids and wife out of the picture. Wife can be an independent woman having her own career.
PM is a job. We are not in America. Don't need this photoshot PR. Had enough of Truss Thatcher photoshot. Prefer the government to focus on the country instead.

Aintnosupermum · 26/10/2022 20:10

Yes she ‘fixed’ the tax situation last April when under immense pressure. Far too late IMO and when you show a lack of integrity, at this high level of governance, there is no recovery. How inland revenue gave her tax situation a pass raises a lot of questions too.

I say this as someone who doesn’t have a simple tax return. When you are in a leadership role everyone in your family has to have these issues sorted.

WahineToa · 26/10/2022 20:14

How inland revenue gave her tax situation a pass raises a lot of questions too.

HMRC not inland revenue. Her former tax situation was and still is perfectly legal.

Aubree17 · 26/10/2022 20:18

lannistunut · 25/10/2022 12:11

Maybe they don't want to invest in case the Tories dump him in six weeks?

Don't feel sorry for him, he's happy as he is now filthy rich AND in power.

p.s. please can we have a general election?

Fantastic. You don't take diet advice from a fat person or money advice from a poor person do you.
I'm glad he's filthy rich. He might have some savvy to actually get the job done.

I also wondered where his family was though.

UnicornRidge · 26/10/2022 20:21

This is what I think the problem is. Poor immigrant - sucking up resources, taking our jobs.
Rich immigrant - too rich.
You can never win. Can you?

Boris Johnson was born in America, was an American citizen. His dad became a French citizen after campaigning for Brexit. Most PMs went to non-comp, private schools and Oxbridge. They use Winchester and Oxbridge to attack Sunak but not Johnson.

MarshaMelrose · 26/10/2022 20:23

Yes she ‘fixed’ the tax situation last April when under immense pressure. Far too late IMO...

That's not what you said in your previous post. You said she was still not paying tax.
Sunak has a problem with his wife being a non dom resident. For me, it’s a massive problem and it is far too late to fix it. She is living in the UK with clearly no intent to return to reside in India so should pay UK taxes on her worldwide income.

How inland revenue gave her tax situation a pass raises a lot of questions too.

HMRC didn't give her a pass. It's a perfectly legal thing to do. It's not like it's a loophole she's exploited. I hope you have someone else doing your tax return because you don't seem to have the first clue about tax.

Aintnosupermum · 26/10/2022 20:44

I don’t know why this issue is minimized. I lean right but this has been something that I think should preclude anyone from being an MP no matter the party.

It’s not perfectly legal to claim non dom status. I qualify for non dom status. When I was resident in the UK I didn’t take it because at the time my intent was to remain in the UK. I had foreign income and paid Uk tax on it at a much higher rate than if I had taken the non dom status and paid tax on it in the lower tax jurisdictions.

For years during her husbands term as MP she took the non dom status. It was only when the media blew it up did she fix this. Her statement included no apology. It was arrogant to take such a position and arrogant to release such a statement.

SkylightSkylight · 26/10/2022 20:47

Subnauctic · 25/10/2022 16:36

Their mum is richer than the monarch apparently. I don't think their dad is the powerhouse of the family TBH.

@Subnauctic I'm aware she's the one with £££ - who isn't??

but Dad being The PM (esp the first Asian one on Diwali) is still a pretty big deal.

MarshaMelrose · 26/10/2022 21:00

It’s not perfectly legal to claim non dom status.

Yeah, it is.

Aintnosupermum · 26/10/2022 21:10

You claim non dom status when you are living in the UK with no intent to settle. When your spouse decides to stand as an MP, I think it’s quite clear you have an intent to settle. When elected and you serve as an MP, you are influencing the policies and laws of the UK. Your spouse should be a settled resident paying taxes on their worldwide income.

I work for a publicly traded company in a regulated entity. My spouse and children are required to report all transactions they enter into to my employer. If they don’t I can lose my job and face sanctions from the regulator which include going to jail. These same rules were put in place by MPs in the UK. Her husband was driving tax policy for the Uk and she was taking advantage of a loophole to reduce her taxes. Integrity matters.

StormzyinaTCup · 26/10/2022 21:11

I don’t know why this issue is minimized. I lean right but this has been something that I think should preclude anyone from being an MP no matter the party.

What should preclude anyone from being an MP?
Personal success and wealth? Marrying a wealthy woman? What or where someone's parents come from?

It’s not perfectly legal to claim non dom status. I qualify for non dom status. When I was resident in the UK I didn’t take it because at the time my intent was to remain in the UK. I had foreign income and paid Uk tax on it at a much higher rate than if I had taken the non dom status and paid tax on it in the lower tax jurisdictions.

Of course it's legal, you yourself said you qualified to register non-dom it's just that you chose not to but, that doesn't mean other people can't if they qualify.

Aintnosupermum · 26/10/2022 21:27

When your spouse is elected as an MP, if you have a shred of integrity, you don’t claim non dom status. It tells me you have intent to remain in the UK. Remaining a non dom means she has no intent to settle.

Boris, the least said the better, he has so many integrity issues and should never have been allowed to stand in the first place, let alone be PM. Why anyone in the Tories was surprised by his issues shocks me more than the shocking details of his transgressions. The only reason he was elected leader and won the election was because the alternative was worse.

I have no issue with anyone having wealth, valuing education or living globally. I think it’s great we have a PM that chooses to work when they don’t have to. His daughters attend an excellent school. I just think his wife is arrogant and her choices reflects very poorly on him.

derxa · 26/10/2022 21:43

I just think his wife is arrogant and her choices reflects very poorly on him. No wonder she chooses a low profile

MidnightConstellation · 26/10/2022 21:57

Aintnosupermum · 26/10/2022 21:27

When your spouse is elected as an MP, if you have a shred of integrity, you don’t claim non dom status. It tells me you have intent to remain in the UK. Remaining a non dom means she has no intent to settle.

Boris, the least said the better, he has so many integrity issues and should never have been allowed to stand in the first place, let alone be PM. Why anyone in the Tories was surprised by his issues shocks me more than the shocking details of his transgressions. The only reason he was elected leader and won the election was because the alternative was worse.

I have no issue with anyone having wealth, valuing education or living globally. I think it’s great we have a PM that chooses to work when they don’t have to. His daughters attend an excellent school. I just think his wife is arrogant and her choices reflects very poorly on him.

Do you know his wife personally? How do you know she’s arrogant?

been and done it. · 26/10/2022 22:17

This is the usual irrelevant shite always perpetrated by the media.. why does it matter that his parents had money? Or his in -laws are stinking rich. Or where he went to school or Uni..his life experiences may be different from the man in the street...so what? Why does that make him unfit to govern..he's there to do a job, hopefully unite the party and get us out of this shit storm...leave his personal and private life the hell alone. We don't want another soap opera pm.

MarshaBradyo · 26/10/2022 22:18

been and done it. · 26/10/2022 22:17

This is the usual irrelevant shite always perpetrated by the media.. why does it matter that his parents had money? Or his in -laws are stinking rich. Or where he went to school or Uni..his life experiences may be different from the man in the street...so what? Why does that make him unfit to govern..he's there to do a job, hopefully unite the party and get us out of this shit storm...leave his personal and private life the hell alone. We don't want another soap opera pm.

Yep agree.

Aintnosupermum · 27/10/2022 00:14

I don’t need to know someone to read their statement made where no apology is given for a serious ‘mistake’. At no point in the statement is it acknowledged that claiming non-dom status was a mistake. I think that is arrogant.

Please understand that as an auditor, I nor any immediate family member could have a loan with a client in a separate division to mine. No one in my immediate family were allowed to hold stock in a company that was audited by my division nationally or by my office. Working for a bank, I and my immediate family are forbidden from certain activities. Yet, the spouse of an MP, someone who is voting on legislation, is allowed to make a tax declaration which says ‘I don’t intend to settle in the UK’. That doesn’t work for me. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander and when you make a mistake you apologize. You don’t get to enforce onerous rules on others and sit there ignoring the same ‘governance’ rules yourself.

I have zero issue with his educational background nor his wealth. That’s not the problem here. Quite frankly, the fact that so many people are defending the indefensible boggles my mind. Who knew so many people on mumsnet are Tory fans!?!

WahineToa · 27/10/2022 07:45

Your spouse should be a settled resident paying taxes on their worldwide income.

She was paying taxes on her worldwide income, where it was generated. I think that’s perfectly fair, especially to India. Where she may return. I don’t think her being from India or having an intention to later to return should preclude her British husband from being PM. Your opinion is it should. But it’s not illegal, nothing she did was. It’s your preference for the partner of the PM ti be a ‘settled resident’ but others don’t agree. It’s merely your opinion. It’s not some law.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 27/10/2022 07:47

Do we know yet if India is where she was paying?

ShandaLear · 27/10/2022 07:56

Because they’re a distraction. I didn’t take my family to work on my first day on the job. The family are stupidly rich so I imagine he’d not want the kids photos plastered all over the national press in case someone gets the bright idea to kidnap them. I have a very wealthy friend with a husband who’s prominent in his field and the family do their best to keep out of the limelight.

MrsMontyD · 27/10/2022 08:01

MarshaMelrose · 25/10/2022 20:27

This is similar to the Middletons who supposedly were rags to riches but all three children attended some of the UKs most expensive schools & top unis.. They were very privileged with driven, ambitious parents from the word go. Like Rishi & Akshanta Sunak..

His father was an nhs gp and his mother pharmacist. That doesn't sound like a particularly privileged background.

If you don't think parents with the joint incomes of a GP partner and a pharmacist with their own pharmacy leads to a privileged upbringing then your view is very skewed.

I don't doubt his parents worked extremely hard but they were very successful professionally by the time Sunak was born.

MarshaBradyo · 27/10/2022 08:03

MrsMontyD · 27/10/2022 08:01

If you don't think parents with the joint incomes of a GP partner and a pharmacist with their own pharmacy leads to a privileged upbringing then your view is very skewed.

I don't doubt his parents worked extremely hard but they were very successful professionally by the time Sunak was born.

His parents worked extremely hard to build a small business and work as a GP. Is this an issue? What would you prefer to see

GCAcademic · 27/10/2022 08:18

MarshaBradyo · 27/10/2022 08:03

His parents worked extremely hard to build a small business and work as a GP. Is this an issue? What would you prefer to see

The absolute effrontery of them, working hard and being successful. Don't they know that they should stay in their place?

And here we have the Left in a nutshell. The "supporters" of poor people and immigrants until any of these people improve their lot in life.Then we're supposed to hate them and see them as the enemy.

MrsMontyD · 27/10/2022 08:20

@MarshaBradyo It's not an issue, what's an issue is trying to suggest he comes from a humble immigrant background when he actually comes from a very successful solidly middle class high income background and has had lots of advantages. The idea that his background wasn't privileged is ridiculous.