Dartford crossing protesters

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Just oil have played a blinder, crossing shut for 24hrs, traffic backed up everywhere spouting fumes 🤬🤬
why can’t they just open the bridge and let traffic flow ? They’re tied on so if they fall they’ll only dangle 🤷🏻‍♂️

Or even the USA.

Discovereads
"Land use change not included". Neither, looking at the small print, is anything else other than energy generation (our biggest success story so far, and not one we want to reverse on by allowing something stupid like fracking) and cement production. So, no transport or aviation. No acknowledgement of the carbon burnt by outsourcing most of our manufacturing to China- or the heavy diesel oil burnt to bring those goods to us. Etcetera, etcetera.

I was laying bets on myself as to how long it would take someone to come up with "But China...". How terribly original 🙄

(Carbon emitted. Need more coffee).

Australia - the one that no-one ever considers..... and they have experienced some of the worst climate effects to date.

Examining the period since the landmark Paris agreement was signed in 2015, the analysis found Australia emitted 5.34 tonnes of carbon dioxide per person each year, placing it ahead of South Korea (3.81), South Africa (3.19), the US (3.08) and the world’s biggest outright emitter, China (2.71)

Complete crap.

Yep. I respect their right to protest, I also respect everyone's right to get on with their lives whilst they're all stuck up there.

But what they are doing is actually alienating people. It's totally counterproductive. History has taught the rational that terrorism does not gain support.

Why does a point need to be original? It's a fact.

Nice try, you’re just mouthing off without looking at the data, aren’t you?

Land use change as source of CO2 has been in steady decline globally. It peaked in 1959 at 7 billion tonnes for the world and has declined steadily to the current 3 billion tonnes as of 2020. The reason that land-use change is not included in national emissions estimates is because of the large uncertainties in this data, and difficulties in monitoring it at the resolution necessary to provide annual updates. It is also not the problem causing the huge CO2 emissions, as it accounts for less than 10% and is pretty much what we were emitting before the industrial revolution. The problem is fossil fuels.

And land use does not include transport or aviation. Land use refers to activities like logging or draining carbon sink wetlands.

All domestic aviation and transport is included in the fossil fuel caused CO2 emissions data I posted in my prior post. All international aviation and transport in the graph I posted before is allocated to country of origin per international agreement.

Since you mention “no accounting for manufacturing outsourced to China” which is a bit of misnomer as the U.K. hasn’t outsourced manufacturing to China at all. These are Chinese owned companies manufacturing in China and we are merely buying their products as part of trade. Outsourcing is when a U.K. owned company sets up factories outside the U.K. for manufacturing. That’s not the case here and the U.K. government has no control over what foreign companies do in their own country.

But, a graph for consumption based CO2 instead of production based CO2, it would show you the emissions embedded in trade. The formula for the by country calculations is Consumption = Production – Exports + Imports + Change in stocks.

This has only been tracked since 1990 and again the U.K. has steadily declined in CO2 emissions even after allocating all the CO2 emissions generated in the manufacturing of every finished product we import. This is especially apparent when you look at it on a per capita basis. Every person is consuming a full third less than they were in 1990- down from 11.7 tonnes per year to 7.7 tonnes per year.

Nothing wrong with pointing out that while everyone else is reducing CO2 emissions, China is increasing them.

And one extinction rebellion lie I often see trotted out is that Chinas emissions are high and increasing only because we buy products from them. As in it is our fault for China’s emissions.

But the real data says the opposite. If you look at the consumption CO2 emission graph (I just posted), this is clearly not the case because even after all of the CO2 emissions of everything they export are deducted, their CO2 emissions more than quadrupled from 1990 to 2020.

They went from 2.2 billion tonnes in 1990 to 9.44 billion tonnes in 2020.

Discovereads it says clearly, on the top of that graph you posted, that it is of "CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels for energy and cement production". That's it.

To be honest, I don’t agree with what they’re doing (in terms of the disruption they’re causing), but I 100% agree with the message and let’s face it, it’s a good way of getting people to talk about it. we are facing a climate emergency when sea levels rise so capital cities / coastal areas get submerged that will far more of an inconvenience.

just for balance I don’t support the vegan groups (meat eater) … so my views are a bit conflicted!

It took my Dd 8 hours to do. A 2 hour return trip yesterday.

For a group who want people to stop using oil they seem to want to increase the amount of oil used
I really don’t understand how in a time of belt tightening it is going to get members of the public on side
There message doesn’t match up with their actions.
There was a thread yesterday about Tesco’s having empty shelves and it being blamed on BREXIT.

Nothing to do with Brexit and more to do with the sea of lorries standing belching out diesel fumes trying to make their way over the Thames in either direction carrying all the food and goods to stock the shelves.

I live very close to the crossing and it is complete madness.

Already cost lives I suspect.

Can we sue these individuals for the extra costs incurred.

So far with lost wages (all self employed) they have probably cost us as a family close on £1000

F**k Just Stop Oil

I wonder what people said about the suffragettes at the time.

Believeitornot

Physically attacked in the street. Forced to run the gauntlet, on marches, of streets lined with shouting men telling them to "go home and make the dinner". Live rats released into meetings. And on, and on. Still they persisted.

But people aren’t talking about climate change other than why a group who want to save the planet pull a stunt that hastens the planets decline.

Only thing anyone is talking about with regards to this protest is should the police just shoot them.
How much extra fuel they are going to have to pay for to go around the M25 anti clockwise to do what would have been a 20 minute journey and how long is it going to take to get to work or should they bother.

Climate Change is not a topic of conversation I have heard with regard to this stunt.

I guess that’s your view. I’ve been chatting with friends and colleagues and I’m not alone in my thinking.

I don't 'care' if they have food and water - I was wondering how long they could sustain themselves in position on the bridge. As they're still there, I guess they have supplies. And now I'm wondering about toileting... Urgh.

"Arsonists and terrorists" for some of them. Let's take off the rose-tinted specs about the Suffragettes and look at the reality of some of their 'campaigning':

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

I don’t have rose tinted spectacles. You are welcome to quote me where you think I did.

my point is that if you want change when people don’t listen, then you have to do some
shit to make it happen. Women asked nicely for the vote. Didn’t happen. So they had to riot.

They're getting too much attention they should just carry on as normal. If they are putting their own lives at risk it's their own fault.
Ignore them.

They’re barely getting attention 🤣🤣🤣

I suppose you are protected from the devastation they are causing because of where you live and the fact that you haven’t had to get to work or just not go and lose a days money. All self employed and each day is costing us at least £500.

I live within a 1/2 mile of the crossing and it is mayhem and no one who it affects has any good word to say about them.

If you could see the amount of lorries and cars all belching out exhaust fumes whilst sat for hours waiting to go through the one tunnel that is open going your way you would realise this protest has nothing to do with Climate Change and saving the planet and everything to do with being a group of people who have more time and money on there hands that they know what to do with and lacking in brain power to do something that would be constructive.

I haven’t heard much about this but I don’t see why the traffic can’t keep going