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I am just about to email to turn down a job offer for a job I actually really want. Anyone else had this occur?

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ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 06:48

I have had two interviews for the job, one just an informal meeting and the second a presentation. Both went well and I was offered the job. It was advertised as (for example) the pay starting at about 2K less than I am on now, and going up to 3 and a half thousand more.

They've offered me the very lowest end of the scale, because I don't have all of the experience they wanted.

They wanted a degree, experience in one particular field and experience in another field. I have two degrees (a Masters) and experience in one but not both of the areas so they'd start me on the lowest pay.

It's also more hours than I do now (albeit not many) some hours WFH some in the office. So I'd have to factor in petrol costs, and paying a dog walker.

I've looked at my finances over and over and I just can't do it :(

I keep re-wording the email. What I want them to do is to come back and say 'Great we'll give you more money then!' but It's not likely is it.

I have a gut feeling that they've not had many people apply. I breezed through both the interviews, I got the impression they really liked me :(

It's also in a field I really want to work in and really want to gain experience in. They'd offered to put me through a qualification I have always wanted too.

Gutted. Has anyone else had something such as this happen?

OP posts:
Cloverforever · 13/10/2022 13:44

ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 07:03

I find being so assertive really difficult! I will probably write something that says that, but in a bit of a 'fluffier' way if that makes sense!

What would a businessman likely say? Say that.

Trilla · 13/10/2022 13:57

Doingprettywellthanks · 13/10/2022 13:15

i don’t see it as a “gender” issue
i see it as a “person” issue

I am very confident and had no problem negotiating.
my older brother, no chance

It's a sex based issue. There are always outliers like your brother and women who do. To deny it is a sex based issue is ridiculous.

Men significantly more likely to request a salary increase, and receive more when they negotiate
www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/article/1746732/most-women-never-asked-pay-rise-survey-finds

Research shows that women are more reticent than men to negotiate their salary offers
hbr.org/2014/06/why-women-dont-negotiate-their-job-offers

www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/women-more-likely-to-change-jobs-to-get-pay-increase.html

hbswk.hbs.edu/item/salary-negotiations-a-catch-22-for-women

bathsh3ba · 13/10/2022 14:00

When I was offered the job I'd just started, I negotiated a higher salary and they accepted it right away. I'd never asked for a higher starting salary before. It's definitely worth asking.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

PickAnyName · 13/10/2022 14:02

Of course you must negotiate. Consider what you would be happy with, then ask for a bit more so you can negotiate down (only if necessary!) and still be comfortable. Of course a company is going to try to get itself a bargain, but with your skill set you are not bargain basement; they must realise this, but you need to show them that you realise it too. Hope you get a positive reply from them!

starfishmummy · 13/10/2022 14:03

Fingers crossed.

Theonlyoneiknow · 13/10/2022 14:11

Fingers crossed OP - there is always room for negotiation IMHO. If they were offering a salary range then they will have that top end available - generally will try and pay the lower end if possible, and will have factored in you challenging it !

AnotherLongDay · 13/10/2022 14:13

Good luck, I’m interested to see what they reply. An old boss of mine once said to me that this is the best time to negotiate. Once they have you in-post they hold most of the cards.

MissConductUS · 13/10/2022 14:18

I turned down a job offer once because the money was way too low for the experience they wanted. Months later, they were still advertising the opening.

Wanting people who have multiple unrelated qualifications is called looking for a unicorn in recruitment circles. Companies think that they can fill two jobs with one person. It usually doesn't work out well.

StickofVeg · 13/10/2022 14:29

You need to tell them what would make you move and let them know it's a drop for you. So thank them for the opportunity, tell them you really like opportunity to work in areas X and Y, but unfortunately this would represent a drop in salary and overall benefits for you. In order to take the opportunity you would need XX salary and if they are able to that you would love to reconsider your decision but as it stands you cannot afford to drop to the salary offered.

ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 17:57

No response as yet! I'm loving the responses on this thread though, thank you for all the links/experiences shared. I will watch the youtube video tonight while I am working but it'll go quiet .

Thanks so much for all the contributions-it has indeed been an interesting thread.

I am definitely going to change my attitude toward this type of situation-no matter what happens with this particular job. It's weird how much anxiety it gave me sending that email-why!? I am asking for something, they can say no if they want-I guess I felt I was letting them down by not saying 'Ooh yes I'd love to work more hours in a stressful role for less money'! What's all that about. Ugh.

I've thought of something else now too-I do a bit of freelance work, which I have time and energy for-not a lot, it gets me a handy £100-£150 a month though, and taking this role being out of the house and doing more hours would probably mean I'd have to give that up or at least cut it down-another reason!

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EasterIssland · 13/10/2022 17:59

@ThatBliddyWoman dont be afraid to say no to companies that don’t value what you’re worth. I’ve just gone through the process of interviewing and said to a few companies “sorry but don’t think your company would work for me”. Something always comes up at the end that ticks all boxes. Don’t be afraid to say no… there will be something else for you if they say no to the money

Dillwyninthebath · 13/10/2022 18:00

Wouldn't worry yet op, they probably have to approve it I guess and then get back to you, look forward to your next update!

ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 18:00

AnotherLongDay · 13/10/2022 14:13

Good luck, I’m interested to see what they reply. An old boss of mine once said to me that this is the best time to negotiate. Once they have you in-post they hold most of the cards.

Isn't that the truth! I currently get a private healthcare membership and a decent pension too.

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ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 18:01

MissConductUS · 13/10/2022 14:18

I turned down a job offer once because the money was way too low for the experience they wanted. Months later, they were still advertising the opening.

Wanting people who have multiple unrelated qualifications is called looking for a unicorn in recruitment circles. Companies think that they can fill two jobs with one person. It usually doesn't work out well.

I think they're definitely searching for a unicorn!

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ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 18:03

I will come back to the thread later to acknowledge other replies :)

OP posts:
mum2jakie · 13/10/2022 18:09

ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 18:03

I will come back to the thread later to acknowledge other replies :)

Best of luck!

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 13/10/2022 18:49

ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 17:57

No response as yet! I'm loving the responses on this thread though, thank you for all the links/experiences shared. I will watch the youtube video tonight while I am working but it'll go quiet .

Thanks so much for all the contributions-it has indeed been an interesting thread.

I am definitely going to change my attitude toward this type of situation-no matter what happens with this particular job. It's weird how much anxiety it gave me sending that email-why!? I am asking for something, they can say no if they want-I guess I felt I was letting them down by not saying 'Ooh yes I'd love to work more hours in a stressful role for less money'! What's all that about. Ugh.

I've thought of something else now too-I do a bit of freelance work, which I have time and energy for-not a lot, it gets me a handy £100-£150 a month though, and taking this role being out of the house and doing more hours would probably mean I'd have to give that up or at least cut it down-another reason!

Good luck OP, and do let us know how it goes.

Asserting yourself is hard - just today, the publicity went out for my latest job, and they'd got my name wrong. Not majorly - think Louisa vs Louise - but still, it's my name, and it's a project I'm publicly attached to. I still felt like I was being an arsehole for pointing it out and asking for it to be corrected. I had to give myself a good talking to and remind myself that my name is a pretty fundamental thing to expect people to get right before I could send the email!

ThatBliddyWoman · 13/10/2022 23:30

@crunchieroxks It's why I do too. I suspect it isn't just me who's felt supported by this thread. The word 'sisterhood' is cringey but the concept is required and I see a lot of it on here :) I can see how practice will make perfect at the de-fluffing.
@dizzyupthegirl86 that's such a good success story, thank you for sharing!
@TippyToesKnows wording can make such a difference cant it
@Taleotallyhoho Was it a good cake?

That is a ridiculous application, they don't even ask for that in some very high paid, academic roles!

@EatingWormsMichael they should have raised everybody's salary by the sounds of it!

@TeaCosyApplePie and others who've said something else will come along, I really do want to work in the field that I've not got the relevant experience in and hopefully work my way up, so I am a little doubtful. I am quite positive though, with things like that, we all have to begin somewhere

@Scepticalwotsits @IncompleteSenten and @littleburn I can totally see this now, about the gender differences. This thread has been such a learning experience. I agree most of us really need to improve in this area.

@MadameCholetsDirtySecret I am seeing the opposing side about 'fluffiness' now, most definitely.

@BEAM123 that is a good point too, I understand. I hope to hell that if I DO get the job now, that I am not rubbish at it!

@Coffeesnob11 I do get a private healthcare package where I work too.
@MDevane86 and @BeanStew22 those are a good result.

@averythinline thank you for that link

@LadyLapsang that's disgusting in this day and age, why should our husband's salary have any bearing on our own, I'll bet they'd not do it the other way around!

@awmum2b I really cannot see anyone with ALL they are asking for accepting anything like the salary they're offering to be honest! It's so low for all of that!

@TheStarofCountyDown I did think about that 5 minutes thing while sending the email (it didn't even take me five minutes now I think about it)!

@WalkingOnSonshine the dream!
@AloysiusBear quite possibly! I really would have had to be mad to accept the lower offer though. It is quite ridiculous.

@FindingMyself1999 that's fantastic

@Zebracat aww thank you. I mean, one main reason I would leave my current role is because this one is ONE weekend a month rather than 2. But I do need better pay if I leave, definitely!

@SunnySideDownBriefly
that's a fantastic post, thank you. And so true as I've mentioned above. I love the point about 'whether a kitchen hand or company director' we all need paying fairly for what we bring to roles, whatever they are.

@Luredbyapomegranate I love the signature on that email Grin I did an amalgamation of all of the emails suggested here, more or less.

@Whichwhatnow yes, we all need to get better at this

@elmooie It's such a specific skillset-I really don't think they've had much interest.
@Bearsporridge that post is fascinating. Still a man's world in so many ways. As I've said MN is brilliant for this sort of thing.

@mindutopia opia another positive story!

@Trilla although fascinating, these stories make me angry too! We're so used to undermining ourselves.

@Oblomov22 and @billy1966 I am hoping that the experience and having to use my brain again will make it worth it-and that they've said they'll put me thru a qualification that I want but cannot afford time or money wise. We'll see anyway.

Sadly but gladly I know that where I work now would have me back in a heartbeat if it didn't work out! I do have a niggling feeling that they may have high expectations. I can cope with more hours as it isn't much more, and only one weekend a month (and not all months). I currently work 10.5 hours every night (Fri, Sat, Sun) every other weekend.

It's a killer for family time (I am on my own but seeing my extended family and parents, seeing my partner, friends) and the weekend I get off everything has to be crammed in! I feel I may feel more 'normal' in this job if I do get it/decide to go for it.

Having said that, you both make good points. I don't know for certain that they've not had any bites-but I've got a feeling based on them offering me it at interview stage, and the complexities of the experience they've asked for-the careers are vastly different, unless one had been a teacher/lecturer in a specific subject (in which case why would they go for something that's not that) they'd not fit the criteria, if that makes sense?

@WeAreTheHeroes that's an eye-opening point.

@PhilInt Women being assertive = demanding
Men being assertive = confident

This is something I am familiar with and even perpeptuate it to others quite often! Yet still manage to be caught up in it myself

@JacquelineCarlyle sad isn't it. Angry

@ButStillSomehow I have bookmarked that post. It's on my reading list!

@missmamiecuddleduck thank you for that useful post. Being overqualified has definitely held me back over the years, sad and sounds as if I am being a braggart, but It's true. I've never found a post where my MA was relevant, who would actually hire me!

@Lcb123 thank you for that-I didn't say sorry in the end!

@SleepWhenAmDead I wish I'd have done my MA that way!

@Dillwyninthebath thank you Grin to be making career changes, I feel It's not something I'll find worth doing in ten years time perhaps? But I don't want to do what I am doing now forever that's for sure-and very little in terms of mobility.

I didn't put 'hope you find the right person, can see PP's points onthat.
@Trilla thank you for the links, very interesting!

@bathsh3ba I am loving the success stories!

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal yes, this job actually struggled to use their own system that they interviewed me over! And again, I don't think
a man would have felt like an arsehole for pointing that out.

Why are there 0.9 people only for each job at the moment, why is it an employees market?Not that I am complaining of course! Them needing the potential employee more than the employee needing the job? I guess brexit. Things change so rapidly.

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BeanStew22 · 14/10/2022 09:29

@ThatBliddyWoman : re more vacancies than people to fill: I understand the main reasons are that many people have left the country due to Brexit, and also some have moved to lower cost of living areas with Covid and so eg 1 partner who worked no longer does

The gaps are particularly in hospitality and some lower paid industries. The market has slowed down in my field (a subset of marketing) vs the summer, but is now ‘normal’ vs a particularly strong employee’s market. A lot of people who would normally have changed jobs on 2020 & 21 stayed put, so there were an unusually high number of moves in first half of 2022 and so high demand to fill the vacated positions

AnneKipankitoo · 14/10/2022 09:44

Such thoughtful replies @ThatBliddyWoman .
You definitely do not want to lose pension, healthcare, and a higher salary. You can spend spare time “exercising” your brain more if that is your concern.
Good luck !

AnnaBegins · 14/10/2022 10:07

So glad you've negotiated! Never accept the first offer!
Negotiating like I had nothing to lose recently got me a 65% pay increase and better terms moving to a new company, and I also got the top end of the pay band for my role. I was so so scared but was ultimately worth it.

billy1966 · 14/10/2022 10:08

Beside the weekend work, it sounds like a good package and you get to do freelance work.

You really need to do the realistic math of EXACTLY how much you earn and what this job would cost you.

No point in doing it after you have accepted the job.

This has been a great thread with excellent advice on how to negotiate and reply to the offer.

Selling yourself short is never a god idea.

They are ballsy enough with their long spec for the job, but want to try and screw you with a low ball offer.

Once you accept a poor offer it more difficult to try and renegotiate, so people are left with the choice of leaving or sucking it up for a year.

It sounds like you are well qualified, so keep looking and from this experience have a realistic figure in your head as to what you want.

Best of luck.

MarvellousMonsters · 16/10/2022 13:46

No advice but I just really hope you get the salary you're asking for!

Blackberrybunnet · 16/10/2022 13:53

Definitely negotiate. I did the same thing once with a job I wanted, and they upped the pay to match my salary at the time.

1dontunderstand · 16/10/2022 14:11

Any update?

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