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Thread 16 Trussterfuck, big dog the aftermath

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DuncinToffee · 07/10/2022 09:30

Welcome to the growing Anti Growth Coalition

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mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 11:50

Well there you go, the pound now dipping again because of fears that the growth (ie the economy) will be harmed by possible cuts to energy bills help.

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 11:51

While JH tries not to grin and gloat about cutting public spending.

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 11:55

^… my attempt at updating the Balance scorecard published in the Growth Plan…¡

twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1581957749461905419?t=6KVuSeM2Ia7iU_2aDvcuug&s=19

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DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 11:55

UK will be virtually alone in Europe in providing relatively little assistance, beyond 6 month energy guarantees, to its population in dealing with the cost of living crisis. That's the cost of the financial crisis we've just had, focus is now on public finances, not households'.

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1581959425761632256?t=6KVuSeM2Ia7iU_2aDvcuug&s=19

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Cornettoninja · 17/10/2022 11:56

Its fascinating that JH putting the tax rates back to how they were, not increasing them, has really got to some people. I’m not deriding their concerns, I share them, my fascination is with even pressing the reset button has done nothing but wobble the table further.

Again, all she had to do was guard their position…

scaredoff · 17/10/2022 11:57

@TomPinch

I certainly don't see PR as a panacea, but if you're going to have a voting system it makes sense, at the very least, to have one where most people's votes actually mean something. People are surely more likely to want to engage with the process and put some effort into working out who to vote for if that's the case, than they are currently where the majority live in safe seats and can make no difference one way or the other. I also don't buy the thing about how PR would let people like Farage into government. UKIP managed perfectly well to radically change the entire course of UK history and the nature of our society and economy, without getting a single MP elected, just by exerting pressure on the Tories who had to pander to them exactly because of the wackiness of First Past The Post. A clutch of UKIP MPs in Westminster, having to articulate the supposed arguments for Brexit and have them challenged, may well have made the outcome less likely.

When people say they can't see Starmer as PM because he's 'boring' I feel like headbutting the table. Politics aside, he's just the sort of person you want in charge, serious, successful career, intelligent, not a utopian and not a bullshitter.

He is 100% a bullshitter, it's just that most people don't know it yet because the victims of his bullshit are all on the left and the media has a vested interest in ignoring it. But that aside, there always has to be some reason why people "can't see" a Labour leader as PM. Corbyn talked to the IRA. Milliband couldn't eat a bacon sandwich. I doubt there's much more to it than that TBH.

the80sweregreat · 17/10/2022 12:01

It's so humiliating isn't it?
You have a big plan and you think that this would work and now it's all going backwards
If I were her I'd be gutted
( not because it was a good idea, but because it could have been so much better handled )

Kissingfrogs25 · 17/10/2022 12:09

Looks like Big Dog might be coming back home!

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 12:09

They are still sticking with the bankers bonuses and the no windfall tax.

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the80sweregreat · 17/10/2022 12:10

The bbc is now the BBB
Bring back Boris !
Not that I want him tbh , but a few people might

the80sweregreat · 17/10/2022 12:11

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 12:09

They are still sticking with the bankers bonuses and the no windfall tax.

Oh yes, controlled by the markets and hedge funders.
They will be ok

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:12

@DuncinToffee I'm furious and I'm one of the squeezed middle. It's been worry, worry, a bit of breathing space then back to worry again. Needlessly. Not only are they nasty, they're incompetent. They took for ever to come up with a needlessly expensive blanket help scheme now we don't know what's happening in April.

I get KS's strategy of doing what it takes to get into power but it's a huge frustration that he isn't capitalising on the new unpopularity of the cons to advocate for some more left wing policies. Their policy is currently to review the energy bills help after 6 months and to keep the 19% tax rate. They're currently more right wing than the cons. I'm only just managing to stop myself banging my head on the table.

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 12:15

twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1581965036754391040?t=BlZIXVG9ZA67vd-HcpeMZA&s=19

NEW: Liz Truss’s official spokesman says she will not resign as prime minister.

He insists Truss - not chancellor Jeremy Hunt - is running the country.

Truss likely to sit next to Hunt for Commons statement, she’ll address One Nation MPs at 6pm then cabinet reception at 7:30pm

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Blossomtoes · 17/10/2022 12:19

They're currently more right wing than the cons

Don’t be ridiculous. What about the tax on the oil companies’ £170 billion profits? The tax the Shell CEO has actually offered.

www.reuters.com/business/energy/tax-people-this-room-help-poor-shell-ceo-tells-energy-conference-2022-10-04/

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:21

If LT does hang on hopefully she'll damage the cons even more.Every cloud.....

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:21

I predict JH will tax the energy companies.

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:23

I mean the oil companies

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 12:26

I don't necessarily think the 6 month review is a bad thing as a lot depends on the volatile energy market prices. But we were promised a 2 year guarantee that has now been u-turned without any future plan or policy.

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the80sweregreat · 17/10/2022 12:27

Would KS cut taxes though?
Surely this was part of the problem in the first place ! Best to see how it pans out with these u turns first before committing to the 19p rates

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:30

Presumably KS won't cut the 20% rate. I assume he felt the need to vote for it when it came to HofC recently to get more votes at the next election.

Blossomtoes · 17/10/2022 12:31

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:21

I predict JH will tax the energy companies.

I bet he won’t. They can’t keep stealing Labour policies.

Kissingfrogs25 · 17/10/2022 12:32

the80sweregreat · 17/10/2022 12:10

The bbc is now the BBB
Bring back Boris !
Not that I want him tbh , but a few people might

Well the conservative party definitely want Boris back, many MPs now regret their decision. The CP were never in agreement with removing a leader with a genuine mandate to run the country in the first place.
The voters can decide if Boris has a future in eighteen months, but for now he should be put back in No10 as he was democratically voted to do by the whole country and continue his work.

The conservative party is now at severe risk of spitting in two. Sunak supporters are creating this latest campaign against Truss are their successful coup of Big Dog to install their preferred choice. If Truss is removed the Truss and Johnson supporters will make it completely impossible for whoever the replacement might be - lets say Sunak, so we will end up here again in a matter of weeks.

Boris is the only person that has any legitimacy.

mibbelucieachwell · 17/10/2022 12:33

I do agree though, the energy price hikes are a very knotty problem.

They need to subsidise the cost of a basic amount of household usage but not excessive usage. It shouldn't be beyond the with of civil servants to enact this if they're allowed to.

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 12:36

Johnson is still under investigation by the Standards Committee. The Conservatives can't gamble on him again.

AdamRyan · 17/10/2022 12:39

Boris is the only person that has any legitimacy.
Boris was forced out by his own party gor repeatedly breaking the rules, lying and corruption.
He can't lead the party either as he can't form a cabinet.

Surely there is no way out of this but a GE?