Thai nursery massacre(Warning very disturbing)

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63156417

I know that posting won't help but this story is just so unimaginably horrific that I can't ignore it either.

Yet another pathetic inadequate piece of shit man who decides to take his impotency and rage out on innocent women and children, including his own family . I'm beyond sick of male violence.

Horrific doesn't begin to cover it. Those poor parents, teachers and babies.

But my point is about the men who DON'T do that. Just like all the women who DON'T drink during pregnancy.

I totally agree that these crimes are almost exclusively committed by men and we need to address that, not just glibly say, oh but it's not all men.....

But still, to call 'men' 'a plague on the earth' is a step too far for me.

And my point was that it seems cruel to those grieving fathers to lump them in with the killer 'as a plague' just as it would be cruel to blame ALL women for the existence of FAS.

What FAS got to do with this?!

I see your point and don't disagree. For me it was the 'men are a plague on this earth'. The men I know and love would be gutted to hear this, although they would be the first person to say 'violent men are the plague of this earth'.

I doubt very much those men are going to give a shit that some people on a UK forum pointed out that its always men that do this.
Most men aren't so fragile as to take offence about this stuff.

Oh lord I've derailed a horrible tragic thread.

I was trying to explain my point but to be honest quite rightly we need to go back to the OP.

I see your point and don't disagree. For me it was the 'men are a plague on this earth'. The men I know and love would be gutted to hear this, although they would be the first person to say 'violent men are the plague of this earth'.

The men I know don't take offence when I say something along those lines because they have the emotional intelligence to understand the nuance of the argument I'm making. They tend to agree! Those that do take offence, in my experience, are the exact one we need to be wary of!

The story made my blood run cold. My own little one is at nursery at the moment and I can’t imagine how scared those poor children must have been. I have no idea what possesses people (well men) to do this sort of annihilation of the vulnerable. It is absolutely sickening. My mother has had extreme psychosis and there is no way even at her sickest she could have ever done something so violent. I just don’t believe this is a mental health issue at all but something vastly more disturbing about the individuals who commit such disgusting crimes.

Has there ever in the history of the internet has there ever been a thread about male violence that didn't turn into NAMALT? We know that NAMALT but it is no coincidence that the vast majority of violence is committed by men. Yes violence committed by either sex is wrong but most is committed by men and too often their inadequacy, rage and frustration is turned on women and children. Pulling up the occasional exception doesn't change the fact that there is a very real and very large problem with male violence. But we're never going to address that while people are more interested in shouting NAMALT than looking at the causes.

The men I know don't take offence when I say something along those lines because they have the emotional intelligence to understand the nuance of the argument I'm making. They tend to agree! Those that do take offence, in my experience, are the exact one we need to be wary of!

Exactly.

Has there ever in the history of the internet has there ever been a thread about male violence that didn't turn into NAMALT?

Nope, not that I've seen. I mean who cares about this massacre, it's nothing compared to the possibility of men being offended on a mumsnet thread. 🙄Thats the real crime here.

The death toll has just been changed to 38.

Nope, not that I've seen. I mean who cares about this massacre, it's nothing compared to the possibility of men being offended on a mumsnet thread. 🙄Thats the real crime here.

Apparently so.

Words are so inadequate in this unimaginably horrific situation, no matter what we say but NAMALT are definitely not the right ones.

This is heartbreaking. Those poor poor children and their families. I cannot imagine what they are going through.

That's a really thoughtful post and something that we need to be trying to answer and more than that, it's something we need to be trying to find a solution for. It's lives at stake, innocent little babies. This is not just men being arseholes. Too many are killing women and children.

The worst violence I was subjected to was at the hands of a woman. It was relentless, daily, physical, psychological, brutal and it was conducted with a callousness and coldness which not even decades of therapy has helped me to comprehend. I was not the only victim. Does anyone know about it bar her 4 victims? Yes. Did they do anything? No.

This thread is derailed now and my heart is broken for the little babies in particular but also for their parents, little buddies, siblings, grandparents and everyone who loved them.

Has there ever in the history of the internet has there ever been a thread about male violence that didn't turn into NAMALT?

Never, if only they cared as much about the victims of male violence as they do about offending men (many of whom aren't offended by acknowledging the issue of male violence anyway.)

Nobody is saying we don't care about the victims, all some of us have said is it is not all men, and that was mainly in response to a pp saying men were the plague of the earth.
Please highlight the comment in which it was said by someone that they didn't care.

Well this is a misleading title if ever I've read one. There's going to be at least 20 parents burying their children over the next few weeks and this thread has been derailed to debate if men are more likely to be serial killers or not.

Right on time, more women swooping down with their save a dick capes on.

The statistics say it’s mainly men that commit these acts. Point out the odd female murderer and abuser, but the majority are done by men. There is a major problem in society and to acknowledge it the sex has to be named.

Since we're now totally derailed here, I would argue that female violence is reported less rather than that it happens less often. I think that violence feeds down through generations with each new generation becoming victims of the victims before them and in turn becoming the perpetrators of violence for those who come after them.

Women are also less likely to inflict fatal harm for a number of reasons. Sheer strength is one reason perhaps, their distaste for weapons or a desire to arm themselves is another BUT they are also less likely to be believed to be perpetrators of violence.
The woman who I was the victim of comes across as some sort of saint in the outside world.

Okay, happy to take your point on board. And correct the previous posters. 99.9 times out of 100 it is men. Is that better? Now what can be done to prevent the class that is men doing these things?

Please highlight the comment in which it was said by someone that they didn't care.

Coming on to declare NAMALT on a thread like this, literally a few posts in was particularly tone deaf imo and feels to me like defending men is more important than acknowledging that yet another man has committed a violent act.