Thai nursery massacre(Warning very disturbing)

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63156417

I know that posting won't help but this story is just so unimaginably horrific that I can't ignore it either.

Yet another pathetic inadequate piece of shit man who decides to take his impotency and rage out on innocent women and children, including his own family . I'm beyond sick of male violence.

Horrific doesn't begin to cover it. Those poor parents, teachers and babies.

Yes but using this particular thread to just generally man bash and call 'men' a plague on the earth is in really poor taste.

Those babies have fathers, many of whom were waiting outside in the pictures, desperate for news of their children. Do they need to be referred to as a 'plague'?

I don't really understand how you can just say 'men' in this context but then it's not ok to point out that those bereft fathers probably shouldn't be referred to in such awful terms, lest you be accused of 'NAMLT'

I genuinely don't understand it so please help me if you can.

No, it was the OP who made this about 'men', rather than either the victims or about the 0.00001% of depraved people in the world (who admittedly are usually men).

But it is about men, a specifically another man who has carried out an horrific attack.
Ignoring the issue society has with male violence by only looking at it on an individual level isn't going to help tackle the issues.
Protesting NAMALT detracts from having a serious discussion about male violence. We know it's not all men, that really goes without saying, but men as a class are a problem. It's important to acknowledge that.

Heartbreaking

Saying not all men commit mass murder really is pointing out the bloody obvious, isn't it? It's just such a pointless comment.

Obviously it's not all men but I have never ever heard of a woman going on a gun rampage. Like it or not the evil in this world is almost always down to MEN.

A gendered issue but only in a microscopically tiny percentage of the human race. It's not that NAMALT, rather that very, very, very few men, hardly any at men at all, ALT.

Is male violence only committed by microscopically tiny percentage of men? I don't think so. It's most certainly not all men but it's more men than you think.

A gendered issue but only in a microscopically tiny percentage of the human race. It's not that NAMALT, rather that very, very, very few men, hardly any at men at all, ALT.

? Okay? I never said otherwise?

But surely that's like saying that women as a class are a problem because of fetal alcohol syndrome (for example).

No man ever gave a child fetal alcohol syndrome by drinking excessively throughout the pregnancy, so surely women are the problem. And never mind it's not all women - because those who do are exclusively women, we must not excuse the majority of women who don't do this to their unborn children.

@Holly60 what an utterly ridiculous analogy.

I agree with you. There are many crimes that are committed by men not women.

I still think it's unfair to lump all men together and call them a 'plague on this earth'.

As I just pointed out, how could you look at the pictures of the fathers grieving outside the nursery and sort of lump them in with the killer just because they are the same sex.

And if you acknowledge that they aren't the same, surely you are guilty of the dreaded NAMLT??

Male violence is a plague against humanity. Men start wars, commit murders, massacre women and children as well as other men.
Until men start stepping up to manage these male behaviours and their impact on the world I don't see why we should be too careful about their hurt feelings.

It's disgusting to come on to this thread to NAMALT. And shows a complete lack of empathy for people whose lives have been destroyed by male violence.

Please could you elaborate on why you think that?

Genuinely interested.

Saw this flash up and my heart just lurched. Two year old DS is at nursery right now. I cannot imagine the horror, the pain, the heartbreak.
i just don’t have any words.

this world gets bleaker by the day.

@KhaleesiDothraki at what point did I blame men as a class? I have done no such thing - I stated that there is clearly something going wrong that leads to men committing mass murders at a drastically higher rate than women, because I simply do not believe that men are more likely to commit mass murder purely because of their gender.

@Holly60 really?

How about because men are not physically capable of being pregnant?

Being a man does seem to be a prerequisite for this sort of behaviour though.
I’ve not read the links or heard details. Unimaginably sad.

That was my point. It's an exclusively female thing, so we must blame all women, right?

@AdamRyan

'' disgusting to come on to this thread to NAMALT. And shows a complete lack of empathy for people whose lives have been destroyed by male violence''

Again, what about the fathers of those babies who are now grieving? Do we need to show empathy for them by lumping them in with their children's killer?

I really don't get it. Genuinely.

Hmm.
There is an awful lot of social and medical pressure for women not to drink at all in pregnancy for precisely this reason. Not to mention the policing of women's diets, stress levels etc to minimise chances of harm to the foetus.

I don't think men are target with actions to reduce FAS. And I don't think when women get told about FAS they start going How dare you tell me that all alcohol is dangerous! I would never drink in pregnancy! NAWALT- how dare you imply I am!

Instead most women take the leaflet and don't drink.

@Holly60 ?? No... because, again, men cannot get pregnant so it makes no sense as a comparison. Whereas women are physically capable of committing mass murders, but seem to be choosing not to.

If you chose an example where women and men are both equally physically capable of committing the act but mostly only women go on to actually do it, then you'd have a point.

@AdamRyan just like most men understand that just because they could overpower most women and children, they don't.

So NAMLT. I genuinely don't know why it's bad to say that.

But surely that's like saying that women as a class are a problem because of fetal alcohol syndrome (for example).

No man ever gave a child fetal alcohol syndrome by drinking excessively throughout the pregnancy, so surely women are the problem. And never mind it's not all women - because those who do are exclusively women, we must not excuse the majority of women who don't do this to their unborn children.

But we know that this is a women's issue and I have no problem with that being highlighted. It would be ridiculous to not point that out.
When we point out that male violence is a problem. We are talking about men as a class not individual men. The 'not all men' bit doesn't need to be said.

You've just proven @AdamRyan 's point 🤣

Incomprehensible. If he had a vendetta and he's mentally disturbed, why not take out revenge on those who wronged him (not that I agree with this either) but why why why attack innocent children?! Evil Bastard.