So the maximum an average family can pay for fuel bills is £2500 ?

[Champainesocialist]

According to the PM this morning. I actually thought it would be worse. At least families will have some certainty.

I don't know why everyone is so surprised. She's a tory PM, they all only get there by lying. It's what they do best.
Read money saving expert by Martin Lewis, he's never been wrong and alot of his advice is spot on.

What I read when it was announced is that it would be £2500 on a average house. I calculated mine from last years usage and my electricity will be £2100 alone. Letter from energy company yesterday says my gas should be £1134 per year. So that's £3234 alot then the £2500 what has been said. My yearly kwh electricity is double the 2900 what they expect people to use. Its just a con to make it look like they are doing something. Not much really

Sal

What she said www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0d3flmh

noblegiraffe
Liz Truss is a fucking idiot who doesn't even understand her own policies.
Or she's a liar.
Either way, it's not good.

How does Keir Starmer's plan guarantee people wouldn't pay a penny more?

The Labour leader confirmed that under his plan the energy price cap would be frozen at the current level

Starmer said the country was facing “a national emergency” and that Labour “wouldn’t let people pay a penny more” on energy bills as a result of his “fully funded plan”.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/14/labour-announces-plan-to-freeze-energy-price-cap-with-reinforced-windfall-tax

This thread is about Liz Truss Clav

Out of interest, do you think she is doing a good job so far?

Incompetence or deceit? Either way fucking awful that some people will genuinely believe what she said. Martin Lewis tearing his hair out trying to warn everyone.

Must admit, I thought the total I would pay would be £2500 as that’s what the headlines implied. When i heard that, I was quite pleased as that’s not far off what I spend. However, that’s not the case.

Seeing as Clavinova is here

Henry Zeffman
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Example here, PMs BBC Radio Leeds interview this morning, just after the 6 min 45 minute point...

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0d3d2gm

In response to a question/comment on cost of living from an individual called Lee:

"...the action we have taken on energy bills will mean that Lee and other people living in West Yorkshire aren't going to be facing energy bills of six thousand pounds, which is what was forecast, they are going to be, ....those...through the energy price guarantee maximum will be two thousand five hundred pounds and the action we are taking on the economy......." and on she goes.....

Nolosomi
She clearly doesn’t know what she is doing (or saying).
I so wish there could be a general election soon, labour have a 33 point lead (according to Radio 4 just now)!

How would that help? Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves don't appear to understand the energy cap.

@Clavinova
The Conservatives are the party in power, they have been for 12 years.
Liz Truss is the Conservative party leader.
Liz Truss is the Prime Minister.

£2500 is not the maximum any family will pay on their energy bills this year.
Full Fact wrote to the PM about getting this wrong yesterday.
This morning, she’s repeated the false claim again in local BBC interviews.

The public deserves better.

(nn. I realised before today it would be more).

noblegiraffe
Out of interest, do you think she is doing a good job so far?

Difficult gig - ask me again in 3 months time.

Clav, in that article you posted, Starmer doesn't appear to be saying that people won't be paying more than the price cap, which is what Truss was saying, which is incorrect.

Useless bloody woman. Yes she does make silly mistakes but I think that here she is deliberately misleading people about their fuel bills to make her government look good. Appalling.

I read that her parents were lefty university lecturers, what must they think? They must be so ashamed of her.

She is so out of touch that she probably doesn't realise that there is a huge difference in what she had said and what it means, conveying the message correctly to her is not important, she is only bothered about stating £2500

Starmer and Reeves said that their proposal would have meant that families would pay no more than they're paying at the moment.

To be completely accurate they should have added "as long as they keep using the same amount as they did last year", but it's an oversimplification of a basically correct statement, as opposed to some of the things Truss has said which have been flagrantly and dangerously misleading.

I think she is deliberately lying to try to distract from the fact her policies have caused huge Economic disturbance and a lot of financial pain coming down the line (which she has also been called out for lying about reading the headlines).

Lying worked well for a Johnson up until it didn’t but I think people have had enough now are fed up for being taken for fools which is blatantly and unapologetically been happening and enough is enough.

My parents have just had a revised estimate for the next year through, based on previous usage (three bed detached, very old boiler, heating on high a lot of the time) and they're saying it will be a total of £6k for the next 12 months. I'll tell them to get onto Liz Truss to ask for £3.5k back.

PestorPeston
Full Fact wrote to the PM about getting this wrong yesterday.

They contacted Labour as well;

Labour’s £29 billion energy bills plan would not fully cover the expected rise in the energy price cap, because it doesn’t take account of most customers’ higher gas and electricity consumption during the winter.

Freezing the price cap would cost consumers, energy companies or the government around £8 billion more than Labour says in its plans, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), which analysed the figures after discussion with Full Fact.

Our own analysis suggests that Labour’s plan contains a shortfall of around £5 billion for direct debit customers alone, and an additional shortfall for other types of customer.

fullfact.org/economy/labour-energy-bills-seasonal-consumption/

She knows that her ‘interpretation’ sounds much better than the truth.

I hope people see through it, but given the OPs acceptance of the comment I fear people won’t.

some will be in for a real shock when they use loads of energy and then have to pay for it.

Can someone tell me what an "average" family is?

Clav I'm not sure how Labour, who are not in power, underpricing a theoretical policy is supposed to be on the same level as the prime minister telling the electorate that they will pay a maximum of £2500 on their energy bills which is factually inaccurate. And also dangerous. If people believe the PM and think that they can use more energy without worrying about it, then get hit with a much bigger bill than she promised them, that's an issue, isn't it?

Reeves: Bills will not rise by “a single penny” under Labour’s energy plans

labourlist.org/2022/08/reeves-bills-will-not-rise-by-a-single-penny-under-labours-energy-plans/

No-one knows what the "average" family is, it seems.

Our bills have been projected to be £1350 for a year.

Small 3 bed semi bungalow, 2 adults (both working PT), gas central heating, (5 year old boiler) electric for cooking.

Insulated loft, cavity wall insulation, d/g.

I don't understand some of the huge bills being quoted.