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Why do poor/middle-class people vote for the Conservatives?

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moneymoneymoneymakestheworldgoround · 24/09/2022 18:26

When the Conservatives protect privileged interests, why would anyone not particularly rich vote for them?
The conservatives are now uncapping bankers' bonuses ffs

OP posts:
jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:05

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:04

@jgw1 your cleaner point is nonsensical. Of course they pay the people who make the money for them (yes, notable exceptions, but overall) and who they employed for specific financial talents much more than people who clean their buildings.

Aside from anything else, the cleaners are likely employed by the management company of the office buildings, not the bank.

When the same people lose money for the bank, do they take money off them?

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:06

@jgw1 historically they are the party of lower taxes. I don't trust the other parties to not raise them more in this climate. We live in hope.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:06

Sally99 · 24/09/2022 20:04

@jgw1 has she been a as member of other parties? She's come out of nowhere for me

No of course she hasn't. @Sally99 She has been a far right ERG Brexiteer for all her life. She has never campaigned for Remain. She has never campaigned for the abolition of the monarchy at the Lib Dem Conference. No, none of that was her. That was a different Liz Truss.

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roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:06

@jgw1 not really how a salaried job works now is it

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:06

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:06

@jgw1 historically they are the party of lower taxes. I don't trust the other parties to not raise them more in this climate. We live in hope.

Except event that isn't true.

NippyWoowoo · 24/09/2022 20:07

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 18:40

Here are three reasons that I will vote Conservative at the next election.

But Jeremy Corbyn.
Keir had a beer.
Boris knows what a woman is.

Are you in the demographic that the OP's question is about?

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 24/09/2022 20:07

They have been sold a lie. It's depressing.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:07

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:06

@jgw1 not really how a salaried job works now is it

So they get paid more if by random chance they make money with their gambling and if they lose money then it would be wrong to take money off them.

Makes perfect sense.

Florenz · 24/09/2022 20:07

Going by this thread, Labour are more appealing to higher earners than they are to normal working-class people. This would seem to be a problem IMO.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:08

NippyWoowoo · 24/09/2022 20:07

Are you in the demographic that the OP's question is about?

Probably.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:08

Florenz · 24/09/2022 20:07

Going by this thread, Labour are more appealing to higher earners than they are to normal working-class people. This would seem to be a problem IMO.

Where's the problem?

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Gwenhwyfar · 24/09/2022 20:10

People who think they're richer than they are because they compare themselves to their neighbours.
I haven't RFTF so sorry if this has already been posted

moneymoneymoneymakestheworldgoround · 24/09/2022 20:10

Why do some people have problems with immigrants? I am an immigrant, I changed my name to fit in, I have always paid my taxes, I volunteer with my community etc.
The immigrants who fail to assimilate and commit antisocial acts are rarer than the immigrants who behave well and appreciate the economic opportunities the UK provides for them

OP posts:
NippyWoowoo · 24/09/2022 20:11

Tbh OP 'poor/middle class people' is the majority of the population.

There is a wide chasm between the poor and the middle class. To many, middle class people are as good as wealthy. They are such different groups of people that no one answer can apply to both groups.

So it's a bit of a pointless question, you'd have been better off asking about just one group of people.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:11

moneymoneymoneymakestheworldgoround · 24/09/2022 20:10

Why do some people have problems with immigrants? I am an immigrant, I changed my name to fit in, I have always paid my taxes, I volunteer with my community etc.
The immigrants who fail to assimilate and commit antisocial acts are rarer than the immigrants who behave well and appreciate the economic opportunities the UK provides for them

Because they are foreign and that gives us someone to hate.

Tillsforthrills · 24/09/2022 20:12

moneymoneymoneymakestheworldgoround · 24/09/2022 20:10

Why do some people have problems with immigrants? I am an immigrant, I changed my name to fit in, I have always paid my taxes, I volunteer with my community etc.
The immigrants who fail to assimilate and commit antisocial acts are rarer than the immigrants who behave well and appreciate the economic opportunities the UK provides for them

People have a racist, outdated view of immigrants coming over and having lots of children, taking council homes and benefits.

Shudder to think what the NHS would look like without immigrant nurses and Doctors.

wottabargain · 24/09/2022 20:13

Sickoffamilydrama · 24/09/2022 18:38

From what collegues (in a red wall area) have said:
1)They are happy with how they handled furlough and generally covid.
2) They have completely lost trust with labour and don't believe it represents them anymore.
3) They think labour is obsessed with punishing the wealthy/Businesses and that it could affect their company and thus Jeopardize their job security.
4) They think the infighting and other behaviours from Labour mean they wouldn't be able to run a government.
5) They get pissed off comments around anyone who voted for Tory is thick/scum whatever abusive word you want to put in and it pushes them towards rather than away from Tories.

All of the above

TwigTheWonderKid · 24/09/2022 20:13

Florenz · 24/09/2022 19:37

I've vote Tory in the past because Labour have lost the plot at times. There's a VERY nasty underbelly on the left that makes itself known from time to time, Labour need to be far quicker to get rid of MPs and associates who disgrace themselves. Diane Abbott should have been gone decades ago, she's Manna from heaven for the Tories, Emily Thornberry should have been gone minutes after her infamous white van man tweet which alienated a whole swathe of British self-employed.

And yet Tory MPs can say whatever they like and still get your vote?

Rees-Mogg publicly saying Grenfell Tower victims died because they lacked commonsense.

Dominic Raab calling feminists "obnoxious bigots"

I simply don't have time to list all the racist, Islamophobic, antisemitic, homophobic and misogynistic things the last Prime Minister has said and wrote but can you imagine the outcry if Jeremy Corbyn or Keir Starmer had said a fraction of them? And yet Tory voters were willing to turn a deaf ear to it when it suited them.

Hoppinggreen · 24/09/2022 20:14

For some reason in this country we still believe that the Upper classes will look after the poor. We hear a posh accent and we roll over and bare our throats while hoping for crumbs. We still think that feudalism is alive and well. The Lord of the manor might treat us like shit but at least he feeds us (his leftovers)

Tillsforthrills · 24/09/2022 20:14

TwigTheWonderKid · 24/09/2022 20:13

And yet Tory MPs can say whatever they like and still get your vote?

Rees-Mogg publicly saying Grenfell Tower victims died because they lacked commonsense.

Dominic Raab calling feminists "obnoxious bigots"

I simply don't have time to list all the racist, Islamophobic, antisemitic, homophobic and misogynistic things the last Prime Minister has said and wrote but can you imagine the outcry if Jeremy Corbyn or Keir Starmer had said a fraction of them? And yet Tory voters were willing to turn a deaf ear to it when it suited them.

Yes exactly!

theworldhas · 24/09/2022 20:15

Only three reasons anyone would vote Conservative IMO.

  1. You’re fairly well off (household income of £100k+ or single household of say £50k+) and a bit mean and/or antisocial in worldview - see cuts to public libraries, early years childcare, bullying of disabled people on benefits, targeting of easy targets, be they teachers, immigrants, single mothers etc etc etc - all stuff that most wealthy Tory voters don’t ever really seem to have much of a hard time squaring with their moral compass.

  2. You’ve been misled by the right wing media which dominates the UK, are somehow ignorant of the effects of Tory governments on those with lowish incomes, or are doing it because solely out of habit, because that’s what your parents (who were probably, relatively speaking, a lot better off than you) used to do.

inheritanceshiteagain · 24/09/2022 20:16

I guess because they feel the labour party is only looking out for members of trade unions, communists and people who don't want to work.

Angela Raynor and her Tory scum comments are enough to put me off. No one is scum. Most Tory voters are hard working and want to better themselves and have their children enjoy a better standard of living than them. They won't get that if average earning or just above, workers are treated as though they are high earners and taxed out of existance. Basic rate tax has been lowered since the last labour government so the first thing they will do is raise it.

tbh I don't much care for the Tories either, but choice is limited.

theworldhas · 24/09/2022 20:16
  1. no, give up
Florenz · 24/09/2022 20:17

TwigTheWonderKid · 24/09/2022 20:13

And yet Tory MPs can say whatever they like and still get your vote?

Rees-Mogg publicly saying Grenfell Tower victims died because they lacked commonsense.

Dominic Raab calling feminists "obnoxious bigots"

I simply don't have time to list all the racist, Islamophobic, antisemitic, homophobic and misogynistic things the last Prime Minister has said and wrote but can you imagine the outcry if Jeremy Corbyn or Keir Starmer had said a fraction of them? And yet Tory voters were willing to turn a deaf ear to it when it suited them.

I don't hold Tories to the same moral standards as I do Labour. If a party casts itself as the "good" party, they need to live up to it.

MarshaBradyo · 24/09/2022 20:18

Ahf22 · 24/09/2022 20:01

Nothing the left hates more than the working class tory.

Generally the Labour Party is full of middle class champagne socialists/perpetual students with parents with money to burn who think the working classes should do as they say. They are full of contempt for the poor.

They love to keep poor people in their place and hate it when they have any aspiration to do well in life. The Labour Party has let poor people down and tribal loyalty is the only thing which keeps some voting for them. They’ve provided a piss poor opposition to the Tories for how long now?

so OP why aren’t you asking why do the working classes vote Labour?

The contempt shown can be an issue, it puts the people off that used to be their voters

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