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Why do poor/middle-class people vote for the Conservatives?

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moneymoneymoneymakestheworldgoround · 24/09/2022 18:26

When the Conservatives protect privileged interests, why would anyone not particularly rich vote for them?
The conservatives are now uncapping bankers' bonuses ffs

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ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 19:50

moneymoneymoneymakestheworldgoround · 24/09/2022 18:26

When the Conservatives protect privileged interests, why would anyone not particularly rich vote for them?
The conservatives are now uncapping bankers' bonuses ffs

Why do you think that the state should be setting how a company pays its staff?

Given what the cap has done to banks fixed costs, don’t you think that allowing them to move back to a lower fixed wage and a more variable bonus is a good idea?

You do understand, don’t you, that the total pay was uncapped?

Sally99 · 24/09/2022 19:50

Because the Labour Party are traditionally/realistically the buy now pay later party and it goes against the grain of many middle class voters

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InterestQ · 24/09/2022 19:52

I think it’s hope. That if they can work their nuts off, they can get better jobs (Saturday job at Top Shop and then full time, then manager, then regional manager for example) - then if they get to earn more little by little, they get to keep more of it. Or could set up your own cleaning company and perhaps take on a friend or hire someone and have an agency and not be taxed too much.

I have friends from school who have gone both ways. One whose parents were sporadically but mostly on benefits and she had a baby at 17, in college and at the time and in her twenties she was very happy with that. She is still being supported by the state to some degree and I don’t think it occurs to her not to be which is her choice. I don’t think she’s unhappy.

Others have opened a cafe or gone to work in Waitrose and none of us were from anything other than a childhood of total financial stress. Other happinesses but my mum would cry once we’d gone to bed and baths were 2 inches deep, credit card use pulled them down further, redundancies, failed ventures, desperation.

if you think you can make it, you think the Conservatives won’t try to punish you for it. And if you think like that, you probably don’t spend loads of time in poor health, or very bad local primary or trouble getting a job, so you hope for the best. And don’t realise that taxes aren’t punishment, they’re needed for all that ‘free’ healthcare.

Hoppinggreen · 24/09/2022 19:52

Luckydip1 · 24/09/2022 18:30

Because they want their children to be rewarded if they have the drive, ambition and brains to do well, and not to be heavily taxed.

Pound shop Clarinova

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 19:53

Newgirls · 24/09/2022 19:01

Banking is global with many working remotely - the world has moved on.

No, banks are moving staff back into the offices now. Is yours really not?

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 19:54

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 19:50

Why do you think that the state should be setting how a company pays its staff?

Given what the cap has done to banks fixed costs, don’t you think that allowing them to move back to a lower fixed wage and a more variable bonus is a good idea?

You do understand, don’t you, that the total pay was uncapped?

Well the Transport Minister seems to be setting whether or not private (well mostly owned by foreign governments) rail companies can pay their staff...

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 19:55

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 19:10

How much do the people who clean the banks offices get paid? Do they get a bonus too?

They get the same as cleaners in other offices.

How much do you pay yours?

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And by completely ignoring the needs of the poor the Tories are doing much better.

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2022 19:56

Sally99 · 24/09/2022 19:50

Because the Labour Party are traditionally/realistically the buy now pay later party and it goes against the grain of many middle class voters

That's why the next GE will be interesting.

Truss has done the biggest buy now pay later mini budget with the highest interest rates available.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 19:57

ImNotGreta · 24/09/2022 19:55

They get the same as cleaners in other offices.

How much do you pay yours?

So they work for a company that can pay some people millions, but won't pay them any more than the bare minimum. What a lovely company that must be.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 19:58

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2022 19:56

That's why the next GE will be interesting.

Truss has done the biggest buy now pay later mini budget with the highest interest rates available.

Well it is about time she joined the Labour party, she has tried all the others hasn't she.

tsatr · 24/09/2022 19:58

I remember the last Labour government.
My local Conservative MP is excellent and extremely active in the community year-round. All of the other political parties are nowhere to be seen except in the week before an election.
I will never vote for anyone who doesn’t know what a woman is.
The Conservatives as a party are very, very far from perfect but they share the majority of my core values.

Tillsforthrills · 24/09/2022 19:59

As other PP’s have said, it’s a lot to do with identity politics and immigration.

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jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:00

tsatr · 24/09/2022 19:58

I remember the last Labour government.
My local Conservative MP is excellent and extremely active in the community year-round. All of the other political parties are nowhere to be seen except in the week before an election.
I will never vote for anyone who doesn’t know what a woman is.
The Conservatives as a party are very, very far from perfect but they share the majority of my core values.

@tsatr What is a woman?

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:00

@jgw1 oh I know. I know. It's disastrous and I support lowering taxes across the board, but so much more good could've been done by raising the 40% threshold than abolishing 45%

Beenaboutabit · 24/09/2022 20:00

Because Rupert Murdoch and Lord Rothermere have an agenda and the power to influence people whose interests lie elsewhere.

jgw1 · 24/09/2022 20:01

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:00

@jgw1 oh I know. I know. It's disastrous and I support lowering taxes across the board, but so much more good could've been done by raising the 40% threshold than abolishing 45%

@roarfeckingroarr I am confused. You say you vote Tory because they are the party of low taxes, but they are the party that has raised taxes to the highest level in our lifetime.

Ahf22 · 24/09/2022 20:01

Nothing the left hates more than the working class tory.

Generally the Labour Party is full of middle class champagne socialists/perpetual students with parents with money to burn who think the working classes should do as they say. They are full of contempt for the poor.

They love to keep poor people in their place and hate it when they have any aspiration to do well in life. The Labour Party has let poor people down and tribal loyalty is the only thing which keeps some voting for them. They’ve provided a piss poor opposition to the Tories for how long now?

so OP why aren’t you asking why do the working classes vote Labour?

Sally99 · 24/09/2022 20:04

@jgw1 has she been a as member of other parties? She's come out of nowhere for me

roarfeckingroarr · 24/09/2022 20:04

@jgw1 your cleaner point is nonsensical. Of course they pay the people who make the money for them (yes, notable exceptions, but overall) and who they employed for specific financial talents much more than people who clean their buildings.

Aside from anything else, the cleaners are likely employed by the management company of the office buildings, not the bank.

AnuSTart · 24/09/2022 20:04

I am educated and have an income of around 200k so am definitely within the middle classes I guess by most definitions and I vote Tory because....oh no hang on...I don't. I'd rather chew off my own feet than vote Tory. As for why poorer people than I vote Tory, I can only guess. My guess is either
A) closing their eyes at the polling booth for the lolz
B) not giving a shit
C) wishful thinking
D) not knowing what a Tory is
E) heartfelt desire to feel even worse off

Or

F) having no other reasonable option

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