I've just thought of a massive HP plot hole

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We know that Harry can summon Kreacher. Why doesn't he use Kreacher more when they are in the run?

Particularly to send messages to the DA at Hogwarts? Since Kreacher lives there, surely Harry could send messages, get info and use him more?

I must be missing something as to why he just forgets about him.

Harry, Ron and Hermione haven't grown up with house elves so don't know much about their magic. They're also concerned that Death Eaters got into Grimmauld Place after apparating so there are security concerns about involving Kreacher. His acceptance of Harry as a master was not long standing before they went on the run.

They did use him for something, can’t remember what, but no I wouldn’t want to rely on him given history!

I’m guessing it’s because he doesn’t trust him. Kreacher would do anything in his power to avoid helping him, so if there was ever the chance to drop Harry in it, or if anyone did to him and Kreacher what he did to Lucius Malfoy and Dobby with the sock in the diary, it would be better if Kreacher didn’t know anything.

To bring Mundungus Fletcher back to the house after he stole the horcrux locket which Delores Umbridge took from him.

I always say why did the fourth book happen? Why would Voldemort’s servant Barty Crouch Jr disguise himself as Mad Eye Moody to help Harry win a tournament where the end prize was a portkey to tsar him to a graveyard so Voldemort could kill him? Why not just say ‘excuse me Harry, can I see you in my office about your essay?’ And boot him into the fire and floo powder him to Voldemort?

Or better yet, why not just not pretend to be Mad Eye, rent a van, and grab Harry off the street in Hogsmeade or somewhere? He’s a child, just chuck him in the van and knock him out or something.

And why didn’t Sirius just break into Ron’s house to kill his rat? Why wait until he’s at Hogwarts where it will be super duper hard to get near him? Better yet, why not just write a letter to Dumbledore? Btw, Ron Weasley rat Peter Pettigrew, secret animagus, love Sirius Black xoxo

FURTHERMORE, in a world where people can read minds and there is a potion that is confirmed to force people to speak the truth no matter what, how does anybody end up in prison for a crime they’ve not committed? Surely you could consent to veritaserum to prove you are speaking truthfully? Same with the fifth book where the papers are denigrating Harry and co? Why don’t they just say we will take veritaserum so you know we honestly did see Voldemort.

I do love JK and the books still. But half the books make no sense 😂

I need to get a life! 🙄

Although wrt the house elf, maybe they just didn’t think to? Or didn’t want to put Kreacher in danger after what happened to Dobby. Or couldn’t face a SPEW lecture if they used him for things. Although Hermione was happy to eat Kreacher’s French onion soup, it appears… don’t remember her offering to cook for him!

Kreacher helped bring mundugnus to Harry so they found out where the locket was. Kreacher was onside after he told Harry, Ron & Hermione the story of Regulus. Harry then gave Kreacher the fake locket. After they got the locket from the ministry and disapprated, Yaxley came along with them and gained access to the house. They couldn't then summon Kreacher as they couldn't be sure that he would come alone

And why didn’t Sirius just break into Ron’s house to kill his rat? Why wait until he’s at Hogwarts where it will be super duper hard to get near him?

They didn’t know he was Scabbers, did they? Not until Harry was at Hogwarts and given the Marauder’s Map by Fred & George and then mentioned to Lupin that he’d seen Peter Pettigrew on it.

Sirius didnt know where Scabbers was until he saw the Weasleys on the front of the daily prophet after their trip to Egypt

Because...plot.
Also maybe the truth potion isn't admissible in court same as lie detectors in the muggle world.

I thought that when the Death Eater apparated onto the doorstep of Grimmauld Place with them it broke all the protective charms in place and they couldn't trust that Kreacher wouldn't be turned by Bellatrix Lestrange, the last surviving descendent of the Black family.

I mean, once you start looking for plot holes you'll never stop finding them.

Why was the security around the philosopher's stone so weak in the first book? Why have it take the form of solvable riddles at all?

Why was Hermione so knackered in book 3? She had a time turner, she could have just added some sleeping hours to her day. Bigger question is why is the Ministry giving out time turners to children?

I think JKR probably realised having time travel as an element of the world raised all sorts of problems, so she conveniently had all the time turners smashed in book five...

This thread is blowing my mind! Lol. I would never have thought of these plot holes!

As much as I love hp and jk it's impossible to think of everything and I'm not sure that she thought of stuff so deeply. A lot of stuff is added after the fact when people raised issues and she addressed them.
Also the editors got to scared to edit her around book 4/5 and I think that made them too unwieldy.

Well obviously I know it’s the plot and if Voldemort had killed Harry in Book 1 by just having Quirrell sneak into his dorm and suffocate him there wouldn’t have been any books. I was just pointing out that when held up to scrutiny there are weird plot holes.

Veritaserum isn’t comparable to lie detector tests though - it’s failsafe. Lie detectors aren’t. And they do use the veritaserum to get the truth from Barty Crouch Jr so it obviously is sometimes used in these situations.

Stopitstopitstopitstopit!

It's like Hollywood Logic - you have to suspend your disbelief or the magic is destroyed (I'm clapping, Tink!)

(Though you are right, and it is one of the weaker plots. Now I'm going to have to do a Dobby and iron my fingers.)

Yes, I know!! I do suspend my disbelief to enjoy the books, they’re some of my favourites 😂 we’re big Marvel fans in my house and DH spends half the time telling me he doesn’t want to hear me ask why they didn’t do xyz/why abc happened/why suddenly the thing from the first Thor movie doesn’t matter in x later movie etc etc!

Kreacher wasn't trustworthy, he didn't like Harry as he was friends with Sirius, so while Harry was kreachers master, they thought he would feed information back to death eaters or Bellatrix. It would also be difficult for harry to instruct him not to give away information.

I am like this with the Marvel films too, even though I enjoy them a lot. The longer the MCU goes on the worse it gets for me, especially now there's time travel (which I hate) and multiverses involved. I'm losing interest.

I'm pretty sure I'm ND though and I've always struggled with plots that make no sense (especially bloody time travel - just go to the point in Infinity War when Thanos had all the stones and chop his head off. Job done).

HP book 4 is my favourite though, even though the plot makes no sense. It's beautifully written and the teenage emotions really resonate. It's also the only good one of the films.

Why didn't Harry's Primary School teachers notice the abuse?

Also... why did the Dursley, who prided appearance above everything, allow themselves to be seen mistreating Harry in this way... wouldn't they want to be seen with a son and nephew equally well presented and spoilt?

Re Barty Crouch jr - because he was totally off his rocker.

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I mean why didn’t they listen to Rhodey and go back in time to kill baby Thanos?!! Why is that so awful? But yes, I do love the fourth book despite the plot holes. Maybe a lot of the plot holes could be covered by the idea that Voldemort is really quite stupid. I mean he was at school with Hagrid and went through all the rigamarole of immortality and died about three times while Hagrid was still healthy as a horse.

Well killing baby Thanos wouldn't have brought the blipped ones back. But there were any number of ways to get the stones without going through all that faff. Also there was no real rush, they had literally all the time in the world.

The most recent Spiderman film was the absolute nadir for me though - two and a half hours of fan service that made no sense from start to finish (except to get kids to watch the old films). I would have loved to see Spiderman: The College Years. But no, we have to have him being a loser in a bedsit again, like 20 years ago, because fanboys.

I'm really not a suitable audience for this stuff, I pick holes in everything, and in general I'm not into fantasy for exactly that reason. Despite this, I like Marvel and HP - I think it's because the characters are truthful. I can't stand DC or LOTR or any of that stuff.

Yes I’m the same. I do still like them but I dislike when people act like they’re super intricate and they all fit together if you just understand things correctly. The MCU simply doesn’t make sense 90% of the time no matter how you twist it! I love it but also love laughing at the daft mess of it sometimes!