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Do govt employee find out early about the Queen’s death?

596 replies

Ginandpink · 08/09/2022 20:43

My brother said they were told early, doesn’t make sense?

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Bunnycat101 · 09/09/2022 00:46

It was obvious by 1pm and to anyone watching the energy debate in the hour before. Simultaneous briefings to party leaders and the commons going into meltdown on what would have otherwise being one of the biggest political days re energy were a sign it was happening. Anyone keen on politics would have known by lunchtime. Just because civil servants started gossiping doesn’t mean they knew anything official.

SE13Mummy · 09/09/2022 00:51

Two of my siblings work in the live events industry in capacities directly involved in 'national events'. By 1pm today one of them was waiting for a call that would trigger their involvement, by 2pm the other was in a meeting with the BBC. They weren't claiming to know anything but I said to the two of them I expected the announcement of the Queen's death was imminent. Their organisations didn't need to be told the time of her death because knowing it was close was sufficient for protocols already on stand by - as they have been for years - to be actioned.

Floralei · 09/09/2022 00:52

DB was told to wear something for his next shift a few hours before the announcement. HeMs in a taxpayer funded role so they did know a long time before. They didn’t say “HMQ has died” but the instructions confirmed it.

MrsFezziwig · 09/09/2022 01:08

Embarrassed for the poster who’s husband’s first thought was apparently to WhatsApp her with confidential information. Does he do that with all the confidential information he is party to?

Tangled123 · 09/09/2022 01:10

When they described her as ‘comfortable’ and that the family were heading to see her, it really didn’t look good. It wouldn’t have been that surprising if she held on for a few days but a recovery was unlikely at that point.

Bad news doesn’t make it to the public unless it absolutely has to so it makes complete sense that those who ‘need’ to know find out before everyone else.

Eeksteek · 09/09/2022 01:15

It was blindingly obvious. The palace never releases anything about the The Queen’s health unless it’s absolutely unavoidable, and then it’s as little and as vague as possible. She was also a patient, as well as head of state and thus entitled to confidentiality, and was a very private person about private matters, as well as a stickler for protocol for matters of state. ‘Under medical supervision’ is a very odd term, and could mean anything. Not ‘being treated for…’ or ‘resting comfortably’ or even ‘being cared for’ and no mention of transfer to hospital (I assume she preferred to stay at Balmoral) I took it to mean something had happened from which she was very definitely not expected to recover, and that she would die within hours. I assume if something had happened overnight the family would have been up there earlier, so I surmised a sudden event late morning. It was also obvious the media knew, given all the black and even worse filler than usual. I’m just curious about the process.

It’s pretty common for someone to take a few hours to die, even in the final stages. It’s not a switching off. They can stop breathing for minutes at a time, then start again for a few breaths. I’m mostly just wondering if at 12.30 she had already died. ‘Under medical supervision’ is such an odd thing to say, and then to haul all the family up (but none of the children. Children get taken to peaceful deathbeds, but not often afterwards) and get NW, HE and the black jackets out of storage suggests a….certainty. They may not have told the PM etc until a bit later. There’s still a family involved here, and they are live on tv in the HOC, aren’t they? Possibly they weren’t sure of Liz’s poker face.

At the time I thought she was dying and they were unsure how long. I had expected an announcement overnight to be tidily reported in the morning, but now I’m wondering.

BashfulClam · 09/09/2022 01:41

Husband is a civil servant but only knew may Dane time as me. We were having dinner and the news flash came up on our phones.

Lurkerlot · 09/09/2022 02:42

Recon last night her oxygen levels dropped, and they were bi-papping it in. Under medical supervision she was maybe having it increased, but failing to hold her own. That would mean her oxygen levels were under medical supervision, and she was comfortable. And it would also mean doctors could call the family, and warn them she was on her way out, and it would be a matter of hours.

this notice would have put the various institutions to start rolling out their protocols, and would have triggered the rumours about people knowing before others.

WeirdWeddingNumberSeventyThree · 09/09/2022 03:09

MrsFezziwig · 09/09/2022 01:08

Embarrassed for the poster who’s husband’s first thought was apparently to WhatsApp her with confidential information. Does he do that with all the confidential information he is party to?

I’m embarrassed for all the people claiming to have known something earlier either themselves or through someone else. People that do get told these things earlier, are not the the sort to go around telling others that they found out about it earlier. And if they told others, it would be people that were trusted, not those that go gossiping about it on here or elsewhere. People are so desperate to be special and have an extra bit of connection to this. It’s sick really.

Andromachehadabadday · 09/09/2022 03:59

PicturesOfDogs · 09/09/2022 00:07

I didn’t see anyone say they were told ‘officially’ just that they head heard on good authority.

I don’t find that surprising at all!

But they are saying they heard it from people who were told officially. Before the PM. Despite their job having nothing to do anything in the protocol.

And despite these people being told a lot earlier than everyone else, in an official capacity, weren’t told it was confidential and to keep it to themselves.

Zonder · 09/09/2022 05:42

What @Eeksteek and @Lurkerlot said.

We all had enough information from before 1pm to know the Queen was dying and that it would come soon. All her close family were rushing to be with her and the news announcement was unprecedented.

Nobody was told officially before LT and KS at 4.30 but realistically the nation was given the heads up before 1pm and not surprisingly relevant organisations were springing into action.

Zonder · 09/09/2022 05:44

And as for Harry he will also have known in the morning that she was on her way out. I'm sure he could have got there sooner. He will also have been told as soon as she died. Whether he was at Balmoral in person or not when the official announcement went out wouldn't matter either way. They had no reason to wait for him to get there to tell the nation - he will already have known.

steppon · 09/09/2022 06:22

People are so desperate to be special and have an extra bit of connection to this.

I find it quite fascinating. There was a doc about a woman who faked she was a survivor of 9/11 which is insane.

EntertainingandFactual · 09/09/2022 06:41

This is from 2017 Guardian talking about ‘London Bridge is down’

For a time, she will be gone without our knowing it. The information will travel like the compressional wave ahead of an earthquake, detectable only by special equipment. Governors general, ambassadors and prime ministers will learn first. Cupboards will be opened in search of black armbands, three-and-a-quarter inches wide, to be worn on the left arm.

There will be bulletins from the palace – not many, but enough. “The Queen is suffering from great physical prostration, accompanied by symptoms which cause much anxiety,”

On 6 February 1952, George VI was found by his valet at Sandringham at 7.30am. The BBC did not broadcast the news until 11.15am, almost four hours later.

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge

EntertainingandFactual · 09/09/2022 06:44

In other words, when the statement of concern came from the palace, she had actually died.

Bovrilly · 09/09/2022 06:45

I would be intrigued to know if BBC etc were told a lot more than the public at lunch/early afternoon or if it was "guessed" from the clues in the statement and family travelling.

This is interesting - the rescheduling did seem a bit OTT at first. I wouldn't be surprised if there was the official statement and then off the record that she was gravely ill and that the end was near. The broadcasters had a big role to play in helping to prepare people for the news and there are well-established comms channels from the RF as they have been meeting on and off for years in preparation for this.

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 09/09/2022 06:51

Many mnetyers did call it though.

Some must know.
When Various palace event's have happened some have commented,it's not a stretch that some may work or be closer to some royale?

notimagain · 09/09/2022 06:52

Zonder · 09/09/2022 05:42

What @Eeksteek and @Lurkerlot said.

We all had enough information from before 1pm to know the Queen was dying and that it would come soon. All her close family were rushing to be with her and the news announcement was unprecedented.

Nobody was told officially before LT and KS at 4.30 but realistically the nation was given the heads up before 1pm and not surprisingly relevant organisations were springing into action.

FWIW those timings tie in with John Crace's report in the Guardian of events in the House yesterday....

"The first sign that anything was wrong came early on in the energy debate of the House of Commons. It was about 12.15pm"....

That was when "Nadhim Zahawi entered the Commons and hovered hesitantly behind the Speaker’s chair", the notes started being passed around and those in the Press Gallery twigged something was going on.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/08/politics-gives-way-to-history-as-news-from-balmoral-reaches-parliament

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 09/09/2022 06:52

I can't understand why they would know though? As people ay with end of life ,it can go on!

EntertainingandFactual · 09/09/2022 06:56

Just to add, these things take time.
My Dad died in his sleep whilst working away.
People were told about his death in this order:

Hotel management
Police
My father’s employer
Mum’s employers (she was at work)
My Mum
My employer (I was also at work that morning)
Me
Other family members
Family friends

His death was announced to his colleagues late afternoon.

Veeragall · 09/09/2022 06:58

I don't pretend to have known anything. But when I saw the BBC news alert about the Queen's health on my phone at lunchtime it was fairly obvious what was happening. We all knew at that point what was to come.

WrongWayApricot · 09/09/2022 07:01

I don't understand why people think some wouldn't know earlier. I can't imagine a world where the public are told the monarch is dead at the same time as the critical people of the state. I can also easily imagine that there are a fair few people to know before the PM.

sparklecement · 09/09/2022 07:06

VivienneDelacroix · 09/09/2022 00:26

Good grief, the state of people on this thread. Why argue over who knew what when?
It was clear by lunchtime that the Queen had died or was in the final hours of her life - what do people gain from this weird competition? It's like the dicks at Buckingham Palace tonight gurning into their phones and when asked why they are there can't actually articulate anything. One vacuous woman said "my friends told me it was an amazing atmosphere".

People love to claim proximity to big events, especially deaths or tragedies, especially when they have no connection to the tragedy. Numbskulls.

I completely agree.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 09/09/2022 07:06

I work for a Whitehall Dept. I didn't know.

We do have a number of people trained in Cat 1 incident management , who were asked to rota up standby arrangements for the next fortnight..

YoniWheretheSunDontShine · 09/09/2022 07:14

Agree apricot!

People could be connected to million's of people connect to any royal! Any minor royals married on cousin, news presenter's, people who would need to know etc.

The friend of...anyone.