I envy people who have Faith

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I don't but it must be a real comfort to believe in a higher power and have something that gives a meaning to everything.

That's it really.

You making it sound like this is actually factual in anyway, which obviously it isn’t

So how do you square what you are saying with the fact that our society kills millions of innocents?

So society behaves like a murderous sociopath killing the innocents and it is OK is it?

@pointythings Sorry!! My last comment was not meant for you - it was meant for @Vincitveritas who is talking about the great flood like it was a fact, like it was true which obviously it isn’t!

Interesting. Of course there are scientists who would say the Flood was a fact. Depends who you read!

@SnoozyLucy7 Yes, I believe there was a literal global flooding. I don't care if you think that makes me cray-cray.

@pointythings Actually 7 pairs of clean animals entered the ark. I'll have to expand that answer later.

So let me get this straight:

Atheism is responsible for the was in Ukraine, women who have terminations are murderous sociopaths and you are the one under attack here.

I don’t think you’re quoting me when you’re saying that. You would say would make a very good prosecutor! 😀

Really because that sounds like what you're saying. Who are th murderous sociopaths in this situation? And your previous comments do make itbseem like you blame atheism.

@voldr Malie is a Forced Birther. Given her stance on everything else that is actually a logical position to take.

@Malie I would much rather have a world where there is no need for abortion - where there is 100% perfect contraception, where every pregnancy is wanted, where foetal abnormality incompatible with life does not happen. This atheist would love that. But that isn't the world we live in. We live in a world where 10 year olds can get raped and get pregnant and be denied an abortion by so-called 'Christians'.

And before you ask, my position on abortion is very simple: as early as possible, as late as necessary.

Your illogicality is remarkable.

The fact that I think God murdering children says nothing on my stance on anything in our society.

You are the one doing the attacking. Constantly. Every post you make is aggressive and arrogant.

The Russian anti-gay propaganda law was passed in 2013, over two decades after the fall of the USSR and heavily backed by the Russian Orthodox Church. Closer to home, the UK is an officially Christian country and has had its fair share of homophobic laws. Plenty of Christian organisations campaigned for the introduction and against the repeal of section 28. Same with equal marriage. You absolutely cannot deny that Christianity has been a force for homophobia throughout history. Although I suspect you will try, you would insist 2+2=5 if it suited you.

That should have said ‘I think God murdering children is wrong’

And again, we are not attacking you. We are pointing out that Christianity has been and continues to be responsible for its fair share of evil in the world. We have acknowledged that there are many good people who are Christians. The thing that stands out is your inability to acknowledge that there are also many good people who are atheists, and that there is not one single perfect way to live your life. You believe that and that is your prerogative, but that does not make it the truth.

@Vincitveritas interestingly enough there is evidence in the archaeological record of a period in which catastrophic flooding occurred more frequently than would be expected in nature, and of course people back then did not understand climate fluctuations (some of which may have been caused by large scale volcanic eruptions, for instance). So flood stories came about in order to explain events. These stories exist in many different religions and date from roughly the same time, so in a way that makes sense. I'm perfectly willing to believe that. But Occam's Razor - a global flood? Nope.

@Hvergelmir chances are that @Malie approves of anti gay laws and believes that persecuting them is fiiiiine.

The story of Noah and the flood was actually taken from an ancient Sumerian story of the Epic of Gilgamesh! This in itself pre dates the bible, by thousands of years. And the Sumerians believed in many gods - and definitely not in your Christian god. The Epic of Gilgamesh was probably based on an actual deluge that did occur in the region of Mesopotamia, but again this predated Christianity and this Noah bloke by thousands of years!! But then the bible has borrowed so much from other cultures and mythologies, turning their stories into Christian stories and traditions.

In so many of your posts you keep referring to all these scientists and research that supports your belief system, and yet this “scientific research” seemingly only goes back 6 years - how can this possibly be called science in any measured way, how can this “research” you keep referring to be taken seriously in any way?

*goes back 6,000 years (not 6, obvs!)

Exactly. On all continents, in so many regions, there are ancient stories, myths, legends - of greats floods, deluges and so forth, that pre date Christianity. And these tend refer to specific regional areas and not on epic global scale. Obviously Christianity, and many other religions, have heavily borrowed from these stories, myths and legends and made them their own.

@SnoozyLucy7 I'm aware of the Epic of Gilgamesh and there are striking similarities to the Biblical account. I think, rather than being copied, it came about from a branch of Noah's descendants, with tales of the events passed down through generations. The differences would be the result of the 'Chinese whispers' effect.

So Noah was Sumerian and he worshiped many gods at the time?

This Christian appropriation of ancient stories, from completely different times and places, needs to cease, seriously.

@SnoozyLucy7 No, Noah's descendants would have spread throughout the world after the flood. The Ark came to rest in Turkey, which is not a million miles from ancient Mesopotamia. There would be naturally be changes to the story from it being handed down through oral tradition and modified to suit the culture of the time. Also, parts of the Old Testament were written around 1400 BC, so a long time before the formation of Christianity.

Goodness, that’s such a reach! This story has been clearly taken, tweaked and appropriated,
by the Abrahamic religions, from the Sumerian story of the great flood, like so many other prehistoric, ancient stories stories that these religions borrowed and made their own.

@Malie I wasn't going to comment on this thread again. But I just wanted to say something to you - please try to show some compassion towards women who are making the choice to end their pregnancy. I have met several women who were in the same position as me, since I had my termination for medical reasons. All of them are good people, really lovely people, who were put in an impossible position. They really loved their babies. Unfortunately, like me, they found out that the babies they were carrying had brain conditions, heart conditions or chromosome deletions, all of which meant, had they lived, they would have either died early in life, or lived extremely difficult lives. Can you imagine for a moment how hard it is to make the decision to end your baby's suffering before it begins, or to take a huge risk and continue the pregnancy? Please try to understand this. Also, I have to ask, why does a loving, all powerful God give children their conditions? Why did he put me in this position? Also, why does he let 10 year old girls get pregnant through rape? Could he not, with all his love and power, stop the reasons for needing abortion? He could have arranged nature differently to start with. It makes no sense to me.

@MrsMcisaCt my heart goes out to you for what you have been through. Nobody should endure that. But I fear you are wasting your time appealing to Malie to have some compassion for those who are suffering. It won’t happen.

You are being quite illogical at this point. Answer my question