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New PM to stop energy increase??

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Jobotheclown · 23/08/2022 21:35

Bear with me...

I've seen more and more Twitter threads (and TikToks) that are starting to think that the lack of any Tory MPs stepping out of line on the energy crisis is a sign that something might actually be planned for when the leadership contest is over. Going further than Truss with her tax cuts, and Sunak, but that they might actually freeze energy prices (stealing labour's proposals) after all.

At this point, I really don't know. They know that public opinion is rock bottom so they need something to get people back on side but is this too much to hope for?

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NewIdeasToday · 23/08/2022 21:53

Not a chance. Neither of them care. The whole party doesn’t care. We’re stuffed as a country.

lljkk · 23/08/2022 21:59

I'm sure OP is right, there will be a massive state intervention.
For households & SMEs.
I wonder if Tory party members even care that Truss said something different.

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Jobotheclown · 23/08/2022 22:02

You just know that they're thinking ahead to the next general election and saving people pennies in tax won't cut it.

They're never going to be the party that gives a shit but they need to do something to prove that they're the party of economics as they often claim. Decimating the economy sort of goes against that.

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PersonaNonGarter · 23/08/2022 22:04

NewIdeasToday · 23/08/2022 21:53

Not a chance. Neither of them care. The whole party doesn’t care. We’re stuffed as a country.

This is moronic. Everyone cares. The customers, the owners, the voters, the MPs, government, opposition, businesses and media - everyone.

Prices are global and your comment is stupid.

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Jobotheclown · 23/08/2022 22:07

@PersonaNonGarter The problem is that the government care more about the owners and themselves than Joe public. Any intervention will be about PR rather than stopping people freezing to death this winter.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer they do something rather than nothing but let's not pretend it's because they care.

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NewIdeasToday · 23/08/2022 22:12

My comment isn’t stupid thank you.

There is no evidence that the Tory leadership care about anything other than themselves and their rich friends.

Look at what’s happening with raw sewage being pumped into our sea because they’ve loosened regulations and let the water companies pollute the country while making bigger profits for shareholders.

According to The Times Boris has announced he’ll spend his final weeks ‘running the country’ (AKA having another staycation at our expense) from Chequers. While ordinary people face huge concerns about the cost of living.

So, no, I don’t think the tories care. And if you do then more fool you.

Namechanger965 · 23/08/2022 22:16

I suspect they may steal labours idea of a freeze on prices, not for the public’s benefit but to keep voters onside. I suspect the reason it’s being kept quiet until a new PM is in is so that it’s not associated with Boris, meaning people think the new PM is responsible and it gives them a better start.

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Jobotheclown · 23/08/2022 22:20

If it does happen, it'll be a massive relief to a lot of people but still not enough for others. I just hope people's memories last until the next general election.

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RayneDance · 23/08/2022 23:04

"they" will absolutely have to pull something out of the bag..

I've said on another thread my in laws are unfortunately the more classic stereotypical Tory voter and they can certainly manager these price hikes.
But that doesn't mean they want too or will be happy to at all. They already don't heat room's in their house ( not even over Xmas!), Save money in the most parsimonious of ways. This will make them feel sick!
And I'm sure many of their friends!

Many other Tories will also Certainly care about this for themselves even if not for others..
And many will also be plunged into poverty and worse and care about others.

It is a global crisis and a UK crisis. We are one of the strongest economic countries in the world and we enjoy mostly a good standard of living compared to 3rd world places.

We can afford to do a loan to the energy companies.

PersonaNonGarter · 23/08/2022 23:09

Jobotheclown · 23/08/2022 22:07

@PersonaNonGarter The problem is that the government care more about the owners and themselves than Joe public. Any intervention will be about PR rather than stopping people freezing to death this winter.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer they do something rather than nothing but let's not pretend it's because they care.

This is really stupid too. They do care, and will be incredibly concerned about constituents coming to their surgeries.

You do understand that both inflation and energy prices are global? Not UK?

carefullycourageous · 23/08/2022 23:11

Let's hope so.

What I worry about is they do a bit... but nowhere near enough.

PersonaNonGarter · 23/08/2022 23:11

NewIdeasToday · 23/08/2022 22:12

My comment isn’t stupid thank you.

There is no evidence that the Tory leadership care about anything other than themselves and their rich friends.

Look at what’s happening with raw sewage being pumped into our sea because they’ve loosened regulations and let the water companies pollute the country while making bigger profits for shareholders.

According to The Times Boris has announced he’ll spend his final weeks ‘running the country’ (AKA having another staycation at our expense) from Chequers. While ordinary people face huge concerns about the cost of living.

So, no, I don’t think the tories care. And if you do then more fool you.

Yeah, so more stupidity and crushing prejudice. ‘The tories [sic]’ are made up of MPs who will be very worried about their constituents.

Yes, it’s clear you don’t understand politics in an nuanced level but it’s true.

Nat6999 · 23/08/2022 23:16

I think there will be a General Election before Christmas because neither of the candidates has a clue on what to do about the rising cost of living. They can't do what Labour has proposed because they will never admit that it could work & they will just kick the can down the road by dissolving parliament for an election campaign.

JasmineIndigo · 23/08/2022 23:21

I don't think either of them are planning this, else they would use it in their campaigns. I would imagine it's not really on Truss or Sunak's radar as the rising prices won't affect them or their backers. If there was really a plan, then I think Boris would have announced it and taken the credit for it by now.

nancy75 · 23/08/2022 23:27

Boris won’t be announcing anything, I think he’s been gagged & hidden in a cupboard somewhere in the countryside - he’s done them enough damage

lastminutedotcom22 · 23/08/2022 23:44

Truss and/or Sunak don't care about utility bills both are very well off and so out of touch with reality it's ridiculous

mumda · 23/08/2022 23:47

Unless they're freezing it by banning companies making profit then someone will be paying for it.

This is hugely stressful for everyone and there's probably no real solution out there.

PersonaNonGarter · 23/08/2022 23:56

lastminutedotcom22 · 23/08/2022 23:44

Truss and/or Sunak don't care about utility bills both are very well off and so out of touch with reality it's ridiculous

Again, this is stupid. MPs (as they are) have constituents who they need to respond to.

Gilead · 24/08/2022 00:05

You do understand that both inflation and energy prices are global? Not UK?
Inflation throughout Europe is significantly lower than in the U.K.
Most European countries have taken measures to ensure that Joe Public isn’t severely affected by the price rises, eg. France have capped utilities at 4%.

Gilead · 24/08/2022 00:09

We also have the highest inflation of any G7 country.

Blsp · 24/08/2022 00:12

I found this very interesting www.ft.com/content/67f07052-ed86-47ef-988e-b44817536388

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Jobotheclown · 24/08/2022 06:53

@Blsp is there a link not behind a paywall? I'm interested but don't want to pay 😬

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Jobotheclown · 24/08/2022 06:57

@PersonaNonGarter bringing intelligent views to the conversation by telling anyone who disagrees with them that they're stupid.

Inflation and the energy crisis are indeed national problems however other countries are handling it a lot better than the UK government who, for now, seem content to let people deal with it themselves. I don't doubt that some MPs do give a toss but my question was around none of them deviating from the party line of support is already in place. If they all care so much, do you think they'll do more?

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DdraigGoch · 24/08/2022 07:14

Look at what’s happening with raw sewage being pumped into our sea because they’ve loosened regulations and let the water companies pollute the country while making bigger profits for shareholders.

Sewage is not being "pumped" into the sea. Regulations haven't been "loosened". Heavy rain has overwhelmed the sewerage system, causing overspill. This was just as possible in 2020 as it is in 2022. The Duke of Wellington's amendment would not have changed this. The amendment that did go into law was quite similar.

Welsh Water is a non-profit and it has had sewage incidents too.

fullfact.org/environment/murky-claims-about-sewage-bill-fact-checked/