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'Breast is Best'

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OddSocksandRainbowDocs · 02/08/2022 11:29

It's National Breastfeeding Week and I've seen the phrase 'Breast is Best' banded about quite a few times.

Whilst I agree breastfeeding is scientifically better, some mothers (myself included) physically could not breastfeed so chose to formula feed instead. I was made to feel like a failure by a midwife for choosing to do so.

My little one is now one and a half. She is happy, she is healthy.

I don't know who needs to hear this but 'Breast is Best' isn't always the case. 'Fed is Best' is most definitely the case. It doesn't matter how you feed your baby, as long as the baby is fed, that is all that mattersSmile

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Maybee21 · 02/08/2022 14:28

And for those commenters that keep saying that breast milk is scientifically proven as better, stop lazily rehashing the same old rubbish, take the initiative to do some actual research and look up peer reviewed studies on the subject, you will find your eyes well and truly opened, if you're open minded enough to accept that you may be wrong of course.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/08/2022 14:29

Breast was not best for my dses. Ds1 was jaundiced, and when he became more jaundiced despite phototherapy, I was advised to supplement each breastfeed with formula, because he needed the extra hydration and calories. I tried to go back to EBF when we were discharged - I even hired a powerful breast pump from the NCT, but despite pumping after every feed, I never produced more than 4.5oz of expressed milk, even after 10 days of trying. And ds1 was not satisfied on my milk - I ended up having to formula feed him.

With ds2, I was passionate about making it work, and he was EBF. He lost 10oz off his birthweight, and at 6 weeks old, he hadn’t regained that weight. The HV was calling to weigh him every day or every other day, and telling me she wanted him to gain at least 0.5oz each day. When I said I really wanted to make breastfeeding work, she said - and I quote “Well, I have to think of the best interests of the baby!” I asked her if she thought I wasn’t committed to my baby’s best interests, and told her to get out of my house.

At 6 weeks old, ds2 developed a chest infection and we were sent up to the hospital where he was admitted for IV antibiotics - but the staff were far more concerned about his weight - I even heard them say “Failure to Thrive” about ds2 - and we were kept in until I agreed to start supplementing him with formula, at which point he started gaining weight. As with ds1, supplementing with formula spelled the end of my attempt to breastfeed.

With ds3, I mixed fed from the word go - breast during the day, and a couple of bottles overnight - and as long as he was having 2 bottles of formula a day, he gained weight normally, but if I dropped one, he plateaued.

All three times, I firmly believe that my failure to breast feed contributed to me becoming depressed - I can’t say that I was made to feel a failure by the professionals, but the emphasis on breast feeding being the best led me to criticise myself harshly - I considered myself a complete failure as a parent. It’s taken me a long time to come to terms with this, and to allow myself to believe that I am not a failure as a parent. Even when I was doing my best to give the boys healthy, home made food, with lots of fruit and veg, I still thought I was a failure.

Looking back, I don’t think I had a lot of support - there was pressure, especially with ds2, that they should gain weight, but when they didn’t, and I was feeding them for hours, no-one gave me any support to find out what was going wrong - I ended up coming to the conclusion that I just don’t make good quality milk - other women make gold top, I make skim - but I don’t know if that was true, and I don’t know if there is anything that could have been done to help me make better milk, or even to find out if I was making OK milk.

urrrgh46 · 02/08/2022 14:30

@neshtastic breastfeeding and lower breast cancer risk. This one has been widely accepted for many years now - lancet report in 2002 closed as much. Here's just one report

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23317179/

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Whiskeypowers · 02/08/2022 14:30

@Maybee21
“I breast fed my child but I am very scientifically minded and pay attention to evidence and fact so I know that formula is equal to breast milk, couldn't give a fuck what other parents do and nor should anyone else.”

What a corker

MollyRover · 02/08/2022 14:30

ClocksGoingBackwards · 02/08/2022 13:16

Threads like this are horrible, and it comes up far to regularly.

Fed is best is factually incorrect, and it comes across in the same way as very overweight people saying that they love their bodies and have embraced their curves. All good, people should do whatever works for them, but they don’t need to try and convince other’s that their way is just as good.

Being significantly overweight is not healthy, no matter how happy a person is. Formula milk is not as good for human babies as breast milk. It’s a perfectly good substitute that people are free to use if they want or need, but stop trying to make other mothers believe that it’s just as good.

Just get on with feeding your baby and stop expecting other people to validate your method.

Breastfeeding women are pretty much shamed out of being proud of their achievement because of posts like this and that is horrible.

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BloodAndFire · 02/08/2022 14:32

Whiskeypowers · 02/08/2022 14:09

I was cringing for you with breastfeeding cafe anecdote but see you’ve well and truly crossed the rubicon now passing bullshit stereotypes and heading straight to ageism.

Yes, these hags who not only dared to breastfeed at a breastfeeding cafe, but had the nerve to be OLD. Yuk

fatpengu1n · 02/08/2022 14:32

I can't believe the responses in this thread.

Why does anyone care how someone else feeds their baby as long as they're getting what they need?

As a teacher, I can't tell who was breast fed or bottle fed - but I can tell who is loved, who is read to, whose parents talk to them and make them feel special. These things count in the long run.

Breast feeding is amazing and something to be celebrated, and I agree that there should be lots of support for women who wish to do so. However, no one deserves to be made to feel bad for not being able to or simply not wanting to breast feed.

Stop making mums feel like crap, I'm pretty sure we're all riddled with guilt about everything else as it is!

SuperPets · 02/08/2022 14:33

Maybee21 · 02/08/2022 14:28

And for those commenters that keep saying that breast milk is scientifically proven as better, stop lazily rehashing the same old rubbish, take the initiative to do some actual research and look up peer reviewed studies on the subject, you will find your eyes well and truly opened, if you're open minded enough to accept that you may be wrong of course.

I've done the research and read the studies, and yes, its still a fact that human breast milk is better for human babies than modified cows milk with fish oil and palm oil.
I accepted I may be wrong, but I'm not.

UWhatNow · 02/08/2022 14:34

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Namechangenoidea · 02/08/2022 14:34

Breast milk is nutritionally better. But no I don’t think breast is best at all. Breast feeding is harder and I believe the majority of babies are happier and more content with formula milk. They sleep better, their tummies are content for longer and they are not as clingy. Happier babies and happier parents.

SuperPets · 02/08/2022 14:35

Why does anyone care how someone else feeds their baby as long as they're getting what they need?

I don't care. I doubt anyone on this thread cares. But I do care about the lies and the myths and the falsehoods bandied about by people who have issues with the facts for whatever reason.

Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/08/2022 14:35

@BloodAndFire hit a nerve have I

Squiff70 · 02/08/2022 14:35

I really don't understand why there is no differing opinion between women who WANT to breastfeed but can't, and those who don't even want to TRY and feed formula from the day their baby is born.

As I said earlier, I WANTED to BF but couldn't (don't tell me otherwise without going back to my post please), whereas some mothers choose not to even try. There's a HUGE difference. I absolutely respect a person's right to choose, to make decisions and to have bodily autonomy but when you have a baby, not everything is about you.

I have massive respect for the mums who want to but can't, those who tried whether it was for a day or a week or longer. I have no animosity for those who choose not to even try once for the sake of their baby, but by the same token I don't understand it either.

BloodAndFire · 02/08/2022 14:37

Maybee21 · 02/08/2022 14:28

And for those commenters that keep saying that breast milk is scientifically proven as better, stop lazily rehashing the same old rubbish, take the initiative to do some actual research and look up peer reviewed studies on the subject, you will find your eyes well and truly opened, if you're open minded enough to accept that you may be wrong of course.

Here you go. Many, many peer-reviewed studies in these resources, if you're open-minded enough to accept that you may be wrong, of course.

www.unicef.org.uk/babyfriendly/about/benefits-of-breastfeeding/

www.who.int/health-topics/breastfeeding#tab=tab_1

www.cdc.gov/nutrition/infantandtoddlernutrition/breastfeeding/recommendations-benefits.html

www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/nursing-basics

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3508512/

Peoplewatcheswithcoffee · 02/08/2022 14:37

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Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/08/2022 14:39

@BloodAndFire let me guess you go to breastfeeding club and read peer reviewed studies for fun

Coyoacan · 02/08/2022 14:39

I love the Nestle fans are appropriating a National Breastfeeding Week to promote formula feeding. OP, if you feel guilty, that is on you, not the fault of women who breastfeed. Yes, fortunately enough, most formula fed children grow up to be healthy. But I can also say quite truthfully that I was a heavy smoker for 45 years and my lungs are healthy. That doesn't mean that smoking is good for everyone

Dogtooth · 02/08/2022 14:39

Franca123 · 02/08/2022 14:16

My kids were formula fed from day 1 as was I. I honestly couldn't point to a single way in which any of us have suffered. I find the whole argument bemusing. I think I'm meant to understand that we're inferior to all the breast feeders or something?!

It's about risk. You need to look at it at a wider level than just one child or one family. It matters across an entire population.

Many babies did fine sleeping on their fronts, with mothers who smoked and drank through pregnancy and beyond, started weaning at two or three months, etc etc. Some didn't. You need to look at the overall risk level of a population.

howaboutchocolate · 02/08/2022 14:39

As a teacher, can you tell which kids eat vegetables and which ones don't? Or which kids weren't given vitamin D drops?

There are clearly population health benefits to doing those things and advice from the NHS about them. That doesn't mean you can always see the difference between individual children, especially when some of them are longer term health benefits.

BloodAndFire · 02/08/2022 14:39

Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/08/2022 14:35

@BloodAndFire hit a nerve have I

Yes, I'm deeply wounded and even though I don't have a baby, I'm going to go and sit in the breastfeeding cafe with my tits hanging out because you've really upset me.

Whiskeypowers · 02/08/2022 14:41

Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/08/2022 14:35

@BloodAndFire hit a nerve have I

It’s not about hitting nerves.

its about people taking issue with your apparent willingness to denigrate others because as a point of principle it’s not only objectionable its provenance is also spurious

BloodAndFire · 02/08/2022 14:41

Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/08/2022 14:39

@BloodAndFire let me guess you go to breastfeeding club and read peer reviewed studies for fun

My god, your insight is astonishing. It's like you can see into my brain.

MrsDrDear · 02/08/2022 14:41

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Well said 👍

Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/08/2022 14:42

@BloodAndFire why are you still banging on about breastfeeding and doing research if you don’t even have a baby. Move on.

Wouldloveanother · 02/08/2022 14:42

Dogtooth · 02/08/2022 14:39

It's about risk. You need to look at it at a wider level than just one child or one family. It matters across an entire population.

Many babies did fine sleeping on their fronts, with mothers who smoked and drank through pregnancy and beyond, started weaning at two or three months, etc etc. Some didn't. You need to look at the overall risk level of a population.

But that’s the point, she’s an individual so she doesn’t need to look at it. The NHS need to look at it as they deal with the population.

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