Heartbreaking. Child abused and then murdered.

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Poor Sebastian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-62163849

Where was his school in all of this? How could ongoing months of abuse not have been noticed and flagged him as a child at risk? Or did the school do this, and Sebastian was failed by agencies further along the line?

@RoseslnTheHospital Women don’t tend to be murderers in general and usually not in an extremely brutal way if they are. I think you would find an increased level of abuse and or coldness in SP. quite honestly you hear it on this site sometimes though those doing it always excuse it.

The two things are related, it’s just men always will be the ones doing the most extreme version of what men and women both do wrong - like this guy.
Maybe it’s testosterone - the female equivalent of this guy is probably the neglectful step mother who won’t adequately care for a young kid and hits them.

I truly hope they both suffer in prison.

That poor, poor child. And that poor jury.

@LovinglifeAF Yet another child brutalised and murdered in lockdown. this did not happen in lockdown stick to the facts.

We were not in lockdown in fact I don't think we had any restrictions in August 2021
Evil pair of Bastards though .

Sebastian 💕 poor, poor lad.

I wonder what happened in Poland, that he was sent over here to live with his mother?

his mother & the man mountain are equally to blame for Sebastian's abuse & death, I hope the pair of them rot in prison & I'd have no problem with their lives being made hell inside.

poir poor kid x

I totally agree. Indeed I had a conversation I with somebody who works in a school setting this week in a safeguarding capacity who says she is always wary of step parents. I've been a step parent and I think step parents get an unfair rap largely. However, my ex's partner started low level abuse against my child which resulted in her being made subject to a prohibited steps order and she can't have any contact with him. Ex is still with her though! And there lies the issue. The parents who do not put their children's needs above their own. This poor lad, failed by those who should have cared for him most. It's happening far too often.

I wonder if this poor boy came out of the ffrying pan into the fire . Maybe he didn't want to speak up in case he was sent back to Poland . Maybe it's a cultural thing where it's looked upon as weak to complain. Who knows . RIP young man .

@LovinglifeAF

Could you stop banging the drum! It didn't happen in lockdown, he was in school. Blaming the Govt for everything due to lockdown is ridiculous!

the mother & her partner are the only ones to blame here.

The System does need altering if the teacher felt unable to report due to lack of visible bruising or Sebastian saying something, but as with all of these things that's a fine line between prevention & malicious reporting.

but it has ZERO to do with lockdowns.

It's horrendous, but don't expect any lessons to be learned and applied. 'Lessons will be learned' has become nothing more than a pathetic soundbite reaction to any tragedy of this nature .
One more example of a woman caring more for a new partner than her own child.

Pure evil

He was in the UK for ten months at the time he died.

I wonder how many other children went completely under the radar during the lockdown and school disruption associated with covid.

Was his suffering ignored in school because he spoke little English? Did he feel he couldn't confide in anyone because of a language barrier or because school seemed unapproachable?

@DenholmElliot1 the link has been well established.

Some men have the mentality of apes.

It's horrendous, but don't expect any lessons to be learned and applied. 'Lessons will be learned' has become nothing more than a pathetic soundbite reaction to any tragedy of this nature .
One more example of a woman caring more for a new partner than her own child.

Sadly I agree on both counts. Women can be so quick to introduce a partner into their child's life without contemplating the dangers. You see it continually in threads on here, with so many saying it's ridiculous to expect women to wait.
People are putting their dating life before being a parent. A child should always come first.
This mother is pure evil. They both are. That poor poor boy. I hope jail is horrific every single day they are in there.

That poor child.

And the man is so large. Must have such a tiny dick to treat a kid that way.

May they suffer in hell and in prison. Sickos

We were not innlockdown during August 21 and if he had only been in England for ten months he would have missed school from January to march at the most .

Hah. I’ve just read an article where the step
father denied being a monster and it was all a scare tactic to make a naughty teenager behave

link

The mother of course had come out with crap such as she was scared of the step father

Just WHY?!

Where was his school in all of this?... Or did the school do this, and Sebastian was failed by agencies further along the line?
He was failed by the murdering bastards who took his life for shits and giggles.

There was a good deal of covid related disruption in schools during the ten months Sebastian lived in England. Schools didnt bounce straight back from covid.

It's possible his school had staff out sick, supply teachers every other week, no continuity of watchfulness.

One of the 15-year-old's teachers told a jury there was nothing concrete for her to escalate her concerns but she was worried about his home life.
"If there had been bruises, I could have reported it or if [Sebastian] had said something, I could have reported
"Without anything like that it was just my impressions and feelings."
Ms Djordjevic asked Sebastian if he was OK and if he "felt safe", which he replied that he was fine.

I mean what we're school meant to do? SS won't act on supposition

Please don't get me wrong on this - I was and remain completely supportive of the lockdown. In fact, I lived through a much more stringent one than the UK had, with mandatory mask rules enforced. If anything, I think the UK should have locked down earlier and longer, but with safeguards for vulnerable children, free lunches provided to students for the duration of the emergency, and online education.

Anyway, this thread isnt about the lockdown. But the lockdown exposed the lack of joined up thinking on the part of government and LEAs when it comes to chikd welfare.

I'm not defending the mother, who in this case sounds complicit, but a man who could beat a child to death is unlikely to have been a caring and respectful partner. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some element of control there.

Well considering she sat there eating toast and joined in with stabbing him with a needle I’m not betting she was that scared.

I know if I was scared I wouldn’t be able to eat.

I accept that she may have joined in out of terror (unlikely) but to sit there eating whilst her partner beats on her son?

no chance

@SleepingStandingUp

Exactly - a lot of kids have unhappy home lives for a variety of reasons, maybe their parents are fighting or divorced, maybe they have a sibling causing problems. Schools can’t get all services involved and try to get kids taken out of home simply because they suspect kids may be unhappy or something is off. If they did that probably 30% or more of every class would be under SS investigation.

Maybe but he was a 15 year old,and he had only been in the country less than a year ,unless he came into school black and blue, what could they have done ,it's not like a primary school where they have a class teacher who gets to know their pupils very well.