Teachers - most disliked profession on mumsnet?

[OhReally18]

In the last few days, I've seen a lot of teacher bashing on mumsnet. Even teachers giving other teachers a hard time. Seems like it could be one of the most disliked professions on mn. Is this a true reflection of how the rest of society feels?

I've been teaching in primary for a good few years and I have never experienced bad feelings towards teaching in real life, just on here and social media occasionally. Maybe the odd envious comment about holidays but that's it.

It's by no means harder than other professions but teachers are portrayed as lazy, moany, hard done by, ungrateful, the list goes on...
Is this fair? Surely it's no different to other professions?

You haven't made anything clear, just that you think it's wrong, not why you think it's wrong. Unless you think it's wrong for teachers to have opinions as to the wisdom of working in an unsafe environment and employing legislation to protect themselves.

I did not imply you are lying, I wanted some proof other than your assertions. Nothing wrong with that. You could have saved a lot of time and your (seeming) miffedness, by supporting your views with evidence the first time.

@echt

If teachers had opinions that schools should have closed to protect them, they're wrong.

Because they didn't need protecting in any special way. The vulnerable children needed protection by being allowed to go to school. Not teachers.

And yes, as I've already said it was a govt decision but it was reinforced and demanded by teachers and teaching unions. Wrongly.

You absolutely did imply I was lying. You didn't need 'proof'

I honestly don't know what your aim was but it backfired.

Not rtft sorry but I don't hate teachers irl, well maybe my FIL but I would hate him whatever job he does so that doesn't count. My DC have amazing teachers.

I do however have major eye roll for the MN teachers and their constant moaning. Some of the things said during the worst of Covid were especially terrible, calling children names and essentially accusing children of killing teachers. It was awful.

Some other things:

I remember a post by a teacher saying they were left to just learn how to work microsoft teams on their own while 'every other profession gets a days training with free lunch' which was of course utter bullshit.

The constant claims that online learning is just as good as being in a classroom and the constant moaning that they can't wfh (like so many othet jobs also can't!).

The planning! OMG the planning, on and on and on. I know loads of teachers irl and they all have perfectly normal lives outside of school, none of them are up until midnight planning lessons as so many MN teachers claim or spending their summer holidays doing it.

So many more....

Where to start? Ho hum. The Augean stables springs to mind.

If teachers....... Who cares about "if"? what matters is what happened/didn't happen.

Vulnerable children as defined by government were always allowed in schools. Your beef should be with government, When have they ever taken any notice of the teachers/unions? If they did, then schools would have been flooded with laptops/air purifiers, etc.etc.

If you want to engage in meaningful discussions, then proof is frequently needed. It's debates 101.

If you don't know my aim, how can you tell it's backfired? Illogical.

Anyway. Nighty night. And

I might be retired but I still have a red pen.
It's case IN point.
See, we all need teachers!

I really wouldn't throw stones from that glass house. Most of the teachers on MN have appalling SPAG.

@echt

My beef is with the govt.

And with teaching unions and teachers who continue to insist it was right to close schools to protect them.

Even in the face of all available evidence.

Which you claim you need to debate but then consistently ignore.

So yeah, I would like to engage in meaningful discussion but its clear that's not possible in this instance.

I dont know what the flower means

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That is true. I think that poster was bonkers, but you obviously don't think they represent many - if any - teachers!
It just seemed an odd thing to claim!

Sorry, I meant silly and bonkers on her part, not yours, @Heatwavesarecool!

This. Tbf is just a few teachers on mn but if anyone comes along and says something like “I’m a teacher and I find the workload manageable” they all pile on them, so few dare disagree.

Ok. Shall we try? I am a teacher and I find my workload manageable. Occasionally quite demanding, but always manageable. I have had a good family life as well.
Sits back.

No not all vulnerable children as defined by the government were allowed into school in the first lockdown, more were allowed in the 2nd lockdown.

@Maireas

Tell us how many weeks holiday you work?

@BustopherPonsonbyJones

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Oh, not that old line again. I don't remember ANY teacher or union representative being vocal about the need to re-open schools for everyone.

I remember there being only the opposition.

Like the fact that my DSs school is open only until noon tomorrow. It's crock-shit that teachers have no say in these decisions.

Did you support priority vaccinations for teachers and mask wearing for children or did you just expect teachers to risk their lives whilst others ‘worked from home’, behind screens or were vaccinated?

The heatwave concerns me less. If we hadn’t already finished for summer, I could make sure I was cool and sit in the car (air con on) at breaks to cool down. My life wouldn’t be at risk as there is some control. I think it is entirely reasonable to explain clearly to parents that some schools will be very uncomfortable but if parents want to take that risk with their children, that’s their prerogative, even if I feel sorry for the children. Before the vaccinations, Covid was hospitalising many, many people and killing a fair proportion so on that basis, you don’t get to decide that I needed to be in a crowded room, with no ventilation, no masks and no vaccine whilst other professions were supported appropriately IF they were actually work in work and not WFH or on furlough.

The problem is some parents feel let down and angry and so do many of my colleagues.That will continue to cause conflict as it is all very raw still.

Why would I have supported priority vaccination for teachers??
All the evidence showed that the majority teachers were not an any increased risk than the rest of the population who just got with things!

It depends on the exams schedule. Usually one or two days of the October half term, a few days over Christmas, but more of February half term if we've had mocks. Same with Easter, but that's because of A level coursework. A few days of the June half term. Summer - depends on the specification I'm teaching for the exam groups. I usually go in for a few days before the start of term, just to prep.

@Maireas

An actual disgrace to your profession

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I'm learning to live with it 😊
My workload is greatly reduced by ignoring most of the crap senior managers put my way..

Teachers: don't rise to it. It's what they want.
Nod and smile and scroll on by. Then the thread will die the death it deserves.

I disagree and would fight for mitigation and priority vaccinations again and again if necessary. It that makes me hated, at least I know I’m not a doormat and I’m doing my best to stay alive.

I’ll take the hate rather than an ICU bed 🙂.