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What’s with these XL Bullies?

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wonderr · 16/07/2022 21:59

Have just read that another of these dogs is responsible for a death.

I haven’t heard of them - what breed is this, a new one? Surely they should be banned?

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Findingmypast · 18/07/2022 13:10

Coffeecupsandfairylights Thank you. I'm unable to run or climb and stand no chance of staying upright. The dogs heavier and stronger than me.
I can give an authoritative sit, but tbh if things go wrong it will probably be without enough warning, and I’ll be on the floor, so having a plan seems sensible.

I’m assuming most death through mauling happens through loss of blood when arteries get bitten.

cherrypiepie thank you but I think it might be tbh.

SpilltheTea · 18/07/2022 13:14

Saying it's got nothing to do with the breed is incredibly dim. There are crap owners for every breed going, but it's never a poodle that's killed someone. Bullies are bred to be aggressive, so the risk is already high. Combine that with a shitty owner and it gets worse. The people who get bullies want a dog for all the wrong reasons.

wetotter · 18/07/2022 13:20

That's because the sort of crap owner who likes a 'hard' dog would rarely be attracted to poodles.

But if they did, then yes an unsocialised standard poodle whose most aggressive tendencies have been fostered, could do extensive damage

MrsSpoon78 · 18/07/2022 13:37

@AffIt

Absolutely agree. I was walking somewhere quite isolated once (heathland, south London) and came across one - a Cane Corso type thing.

It frightened me and the way it looked at my cocker was very worrying but it did leave well alone. If it had wanted to it could have killed me or my dog....no problem. Its owner was pretty terrifying too and I won't walk up there on my own again. Too vulnerable

cherrypiepie · 18/07/2022 13:43

Yes sorry what I said was incorrect. It wasn't what I was thinking.

I mean it's the mindset of these specific type of breeders/owners to buy, breed and leave untrained and then sell on or regime incredibly strong powerful and reactive dogs and leave unsupervised with children. Personally I think xl bully should be a banned breed. I saw a giant Doberman with cropped ears the other day.

We have a boxer and he is nuts. My husband wouldn't have a staffie though. He is a dog whisper too. Literally loves dogs more than anything else breathing (including me).

GreenManalishi · 18/07/2022 13:50

Whitney168 · 16/07/2022 22:28

But it’s not just that, is it? Most breeds would not/could not kill a 43 year old woman and cause life changing injuries to a 42 year old man who was trying to save her.

There are plenty of other breeds that physically could, and temprementally would, if they were in the wrong hands. It doesn't happen due to societal trends and numbers.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 18/07/2022 13:54

Findingmypast · 18/07/2022 13:10

Coffeecupsandfairylights Thank you. I'm unable to run or climb and stand no chance of staying upright. The dogs heavier and stronger than me.
I can give an authoritative sit, but tbh if things go wrong it will probably be without enough warning, and I’ll be on the floor, so having a plan seems sensible.

I’m assuming most death through mauling happens through loss of blood when arteries get bitten.

cherrypiepie thank you but I think it might be tbh.

Yes - sadly most deaths will be through blood loss.

So in your scenario the best thing to do will be to curl up in a ball protecting your face and neck as much as you possibly can.

countrygirl99 · 18/07/2022 13:55

Wideawakeandconfused · 18/07/2022 11:36

To give you an idea of why we need urgent action taken with these breeds, here’s a prime example of one for sale.

Poor dog is almost two years old and has never been socialised with children. It’s suggested that she not be around children. She also dislikes other dogs including her own breed, and clearly is a nightmare to handle. There are many more like this. The dog needs to be handed in and PTS, and I don’t say that lightly.

www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/9dyfgszlq-xl-bully-female-nottingham/

And the bit about she will be coming g into season soon. Poor bloody dog being targeted at dodgy breeders.

Burnedoutdr · 18/07/2022 14:38

We need dog licenses and legislation to outlaw unhealthy breeds such as braciocephalics and those bred to be aggressive.

rocksonrocks · 18/07/2022 15:12

TauCeti · 18/07/2022 12:38

They're repulsive. For whatever reason, I see lots of ads for them on social media - functionally illiterate 'breeders' dribbling on about their gawjus gal or super thicc big boy, the latest inbred offspring from chanel x kalashnikov or whatever.

Agree that there's a subculture of women who love these dogs, it's the 'I can fix him' mentality but with a dog that looks like an upholstered sherman tank rather than a violent man.

Sorry to derail, but this made me cackle. GrinGrin

MiniTheMinx · 18/07/2022 16:17

countrygirl99 · 18/07/2022 13:55

And the bit about she will be coming g into season soon. Poor bloody dog being targeted at dodgy breeders.

Luna doesn't look like an American Bully. Luna looks like some sort of cross breed that has not been bred from two American Bully's. The face is all wrong, as is the gait. Anyway, yes this is all sorts of wrong.

I have always had so called "bull breed dogs" boxers and Staffs. I like American Bulldogs, but I find that people are getting very confused about the difference between Bullys and American bulldogs. Its pissing me off no end to keep reading that people who can't even tell these bull breed dogs apart want >insert name< dog banned. American bull dogs are playful, more athletic, need exercise. Bully's are now being bred to be so disfigured aesthetically, but also in terms of health and in temperament. People can't tell the difference between a bully and staff. Luna is at least 2/3 staff and possibly bred with an American bulldog. She probably has been mistreated by some scum who thought he had hold of a mean bully dog.

The issue is one of human stupidity, all round.

The "Bully" originated from breeding American Pit bulls with several other bull breeds, American bulldog, American Staff, and Old English bulldog. Why? maybe some monkey thought "Aha I know take the temperament of a pit and make a dog less athletic, more prone to health issues, make it so wide and stocky it can hardly walk......who knows, but because there is no recognised breed standard outside of the "American Bully Kennel Club" its very own club, and the same in the UK, appears to have its own club......not welcome in anyone elses! The point is there is not sufficient oversight or breed standards and any bloody twat in a gold chain can breed them.

The story goes that bully's were bred to create a calm friendly temperament. I find that questionable. I don't believe that for one moment. Why use the pitt bull as the basis for anew breed. More likely Pitties were being banned and getting a bad rep so another dog had to be found. Especially when you look at the time line. For this reason we need to be able to very clearly distinguish what is and what isn't a "Bully" whether that is to introduce breed standards that will see chav out of his back yard breeding sideline, or if need be to only target the actual dogs causing harm. The fact is these Bully dogs are being bred as guard dogs. There are training videos all over the internet. So, the argument can not be made that the unregulated breeding of a dog that supposedly has its own club standard to which it should conform saying "family friendly" whilst those individuals breeding them are doing so to create guarding dogs. Guard dogs with the bite pattern and tenacity of other bull breed terrier dogs!

So my understanding is this, human stupidity coupled with a breed that has the temperament of a pitt bull, the weight of a American bull dog or more, and the bite pattern of the original bull dog used for dog fighting. Although I do think pitt bulls can make good pets to the right people. To the person who mentioned "woke" women and pitt bulls, watch a few videos online and you will find that even the Americans are confused, and often call all bull breed dogs pitt bulls. A lot of these friendly smiling dogs are cross breeds and many of them are probably two thirds Staff or American Staff.

Please, whatever you feel, be that fear, anger, amazement don't make sweeping statements about all bull breed dogs. You and your ignorance along with the ignorance and greed of the chav breeders will see to it that all bull breed dogs are tarred with the same brush. Possibly all put to sleep.

I have had several and each and every one of them has been loyal, faithful, and trained, and they have all loved humans. Soppy is the most obvious trait they have all shared.

Wideawakeandconfused · 18/07/2022 18:15

Humanising dogs is a dangerous thing. They aren’t going to red this post and feel bad. Dogs are animals and unfortunately these breeds have the capability to hurt and worse.

The fact they can is the reason they are desired by people. They’ve become status symbols because of their appearance and muscle.

It’s great to hear yours a lovely. Luna doesn’t seem like she is - and if you look at her papers you’ll see she is actually is a XL Bully. There are hundreds like her.

And let’s not mention the amount that have their ears cropped. Many are cropped in the UK to look more aggressive. Awful treatment of an animal.

As I said, no dog can be trusted 100% can they. I’d trust a Westie not to kill me…

SpaceGoatFarm · 19/07/2022 02:01

Jesus christ yes what is the hidden link that makes families who own these dogs do awful tacky sepia coloured peaky blinder photo shoots.

Thankfully despite my area being pretty poor it's mostly polish and stuff so all good behaviour and a lack of these stupid dogs. Even the local drug dealer has a really nice nervous lurcher thing.

SpaceGoatFarm · 19/07/2022 02:03

I feel this is relevant here

What’s with these XL Bullies?
SpaceGoatFarm · 19/07/2022 02:24

Good lord, some other illiterate in that link above is selling puppies of that breed for £3500

Crazycatlady83 · 19/07/2022 02:28

Flaunch · 16/07/2022 22:24

It’s generally not the certain type of dog it’s the certain type of person that owns them.

I think the point being if the irresponsible owner had a sausage dog, no one would be dead. Ban the dog because unfortunately you can't ban stupid

Indoctro · 19/07/2022 03:01

KittiesInsane · 17/07/2022 22:06

I’m somewhat startled at the number of attacks on people suffering an epileptic seizure. Does anyone know why? I’m guessing a combination of dog alarmed by the sounds and uncoordinated movements, plus the vulnerability of a fallen victim, but maybe there’s more to it?

People who take seizures shouldn't own a untrained dog. If you take seizure your dog should be trained to be a seizure alert dog.

As In the absence of specialist training the dog may resort to a survival strategy: flight (run away, with- drawal, escape, avoidance), fight (attack, aggressive defence, protective behaviour), freeze (tonic immo- bility) or appeasement (conflict behaviour, vocal dis- tress, submission or flirtatious play).

A trained dog can smell a seizure up to 45 minutes before a person has one and warn you so you can make sure the dog is away from you

There have been plenty of studies into to this

Basically people with epilepsy shouldn't have untrained dogs as pets.

QueenCamilla · 19/07/2022 03:04

Just yesterday saw a scummy owner (scummy without exception) with his scummy, outsized monster dog.

Could see the dog (luckily muzzled) trying to leap at passer by. Me and DS had to cross the road to be safe.
The guy was practically horizontal pulling on the lead trying to control the dog. I heard him say to another bloke that "unfortunately the dog has an instinct for people".

Nasty. Just nasty. I don't think well of any person owning any "fighting" type. Takes a certain type of person to own a certain type of dog.

Confiscate and exterminate.

Northbynorthbreast · 19/07/2022 03:53

15 years ago my brother had an American pit bull, now renamed XL bullies. He was huge and frightening. When they had their first ds he sadly had to have him out down as he knew without a doubt that the dog was very jealous of his baby and would probably harm it. They did try everything to regime it beforehand but it really was a frightening dog.

Northernsouloldies · 19/07/2022 05:09

Person on my street owns one, you could be 100feet away and it's eyes lock on to you and guy has to wrap lead round wrist for control. That's not a pet personally I wouldn't want to encounter this thing if it slipped its lead.

Laughinggoat · 19/07/2022 05:24

Annoyedwithmyself · 18/07/2022 10:37

I find that subscribing to the idea that 'there are no bad dogs, only bad owners' is quite delusional and dangerous.

A lot of people buy entirely into the biblical idea of human dominion over animals, and that the animal has no agency if only the human has trained and subdued it well enough.

Well no. That's not watertight at all. Some breeds clearly have more capacity to badly injure as well as being more popular with the types of owner who won't take any trouble to instil good behaviour and temperament as well as prioritise their welfare and comfort.

However, each dog has a brain of it's own. It will react to situations in an individual way and this can involve taking owners by surprise completely even if the dog has been placid previously. However well trained you think your dog is, you are not 100% in control of it. It is not a toy. You are not some kind of all powerful master. All animals need to be treated with the respect they deserve. A bulldog is not the same as a bloody lapdog and these risks need to be understood, not obfuscated.

Completely agree with you. This thread sent me down a rabbit hole last night. There are several breeds that need very experienced owners due to their nature. Well nature is probably the wrong word as these dogs were bred to be vicious or strong. Just because someone has watched every episode of Ceaser Milan doesn't make them the ultimate puppet master with the dog.

googling these xl bullies, they look like a fighting machine and frankly terrifying. I would be petrified walking past one, which is why they are bred I suppose.

cherrypiepie · 19/07/2022 18:33

Is an American pit bull and an xl bully the same thing??

It though they were different.

What good reasons are there for anyone for own one of these dogs? Other than it looks "cool" and is makes them look aggressive and scary?

cherrypiepie · 19/07/2022 18:33

Epileptic seizure fascinated me too. No idea why this is a thing.

wetotter · 19/07/2022 18:52

cherrypiepie · 19/07/2022 18:33

Is an American pit bull and an xl bully the same thing??

It though they were different.

What good reasons are there for anyone for own one of these dogs? Other than it looks "cool" and is makes them look aggressive and scary?

No they're not

The dogs, if properly trained and socialised can be delightful, which may be why some people have them (just as people choose other large breeds)

But there is always the fashionable 'hard' dog, and right now this is it. And that attracts the dangerous owners

Northernsoullover · 19/07/2022 18:52

When an article online stated that the two dogs who were at the latest attack were to be PTS people were saying it was awful that the animals should suffer and that they should be trained and rehomed. FFS would they want it in their house? The only 'good' thing about this attack is that the fact it turned on its owner might make the knuckledraggers start to feel a bit scared and reconsider the keeping of these. The woman on pets4homes is clearly shitting herself now that she's pregnant. She just doesn't care that someone will use it to breed.

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