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The big decisions usually relate to "got brexit done" (it isn't) and vaccines. (Which are now behind on) and opening up quicker which is pure conjecture because no one knows what the other countries did and some (switzerland(?) never locked down like we did anyway!)

The made the big decisions is a line parroted from the parties own hype 🤷‍♀️

Dear World, You may be wondering what happens next in terms of the British constitution. The answer is that 3 newspaper owners - all of whom are non domiciled in the UK for tax purposes - get together and choose our next Prime Minister or “Poodle”. The Queen then anoints them.
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The better “big decisions” are just decisions that any competent government would have made on vaccines and support for Ukraine, unfortunately overshadowed by the very many absolutely dreadful greater and lesser decisions that led to thousands of unnecessary deaths from Covid, whole sectors of the economy being laid to waste (Brexit) and the undermining of the constitution and the political stability of the UK, not to mention the deliberate breaking of international treaties to devalue the country on the world stage.

Fuck ups starting early today.

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You would think that someone who is planning to run for PM would a) know who the current PM of Japan is b) check to make sure someone is actually dead. I don't think Zahawi is all that bright in some respects.

I do not get 'the big decisions' argument. ANY Government in power should be making the right big decisions if they are competent. And when you pull apart and look carefully at his big decisions, they really don't hold up as extraordinary.
borntobequiet has nailed it.

I think this Government has got a very clever way of manipulating the press and the people with slogans.

Getting on with the job
Got the big decisions right
Build back better
Levelling up
And so on...

People and the press then just parrot these ad nauseum like the Government has actually done something worthwhile. When they haven't.

It's just a meaningless slogan

"I think this Government has got a very clever way of manipulating the press and the people with slogans.

Getting on with the job
Got the big decisions right
Build back better
Levelling up
And so on..."

That won't even be the Government - it will have come through PR/marketing and rubber stamped.

What a terrible error by Zahawi 😱

Exactly.

But those who let the big dog like he's a shaggy pet think ,asking the right decisions make him amazing.

It's a sad representation of how low we have set our bar politics wise in the Uk

Just watched Rayner on GMB. The more she speaks the more impressed I am with her.

Yes I've warmed to her lately.

Yvette Cooper and Emily Thornberry have also been excellent to listen to.

Or at the very least know how to use google 🤔

The Times reporting that Labour will table a no confidence motion next week.

Getting on with the job
Got the big decisions right
Build back better
Levelling up

all these phrases immediately put me on alert that I’m being bullshitted and I stop taking the speaker seriously. Say a phrase too much and I know I’m being grifted.

@itsgettingweird you don’t need to join Twitter to browse it. It will keep asking you to log in, just press to log in and then ‘x’ out.

They kind of have to. All the events that led to this point have confirmed BJ is a liability at best. He just shouldn’t have access at any level to that kind of power and information.

The tories got the weekend to get him out of No. 10 before the new 1922 meet and then the push has to be to safeguard the country from him. Allowing months still in no. 10 is just handing him the opportunity to clean up any messes he’s made and to settle scores regardless of consequences.

It is so worrying when a tweet can go out by a prospective PM and it be so so so wrong. I just don't understand it. I knew the situation about the Japan ex PM and how he was hanging on in there... it is just appalling, and something like that would make me think straightaway, he is NOT the man for the job.
Sloppy, lazy, ill informed

@Notonthestairs Great news. I think the Tories should have told him to stand down immediately ... suspect yesterday's semi-resignation was the best anyone could get him to do so Labour will need to force the issue.

In any other workplace, if people thought they were incompetent, a liar and that they had promoted a sexual predator to power and lied about all that, they would be out. No waiting for a replacement.

That's the line that needs to be taken. I am sure they could find someone perfectly competent to manage the country in the meantime.

I was intrigued listening to the latest Education Secretary on the radio just now, that he did not seem to know whether or not he had confidence in the Prime Minister. Do these people not think through the most obvious questions they will be asked before they go on?

I've started to lose track already of how this will work...

1922 committee executive elections on Monday.
One round and therefore finalised Monday evening.
1922 committee executive then co-ordinate leadership elections and set timetable (possibly first hustings planned for late next week).

Is that right?

They kind of have to.

Yes, if nothing else it forces individual Conservatives to nail their colours to the mast.
It’s win win really -

1)Labour being proactive, good optics

2)Vote lost, more chaos as BJ continues to wreak damage on the party and country, Tory party beyond repair

3)Vote won, bye bye Boris (finally)

One always rated Yvette Cooper.

I've just watched him on GMB. He seemed quite competent and calm with a good gentle humour. I didn't hear them ask him that question though.

Goes to show how much we have to make decisions on people on what we see and hear and how wrong we can get.

He also didn't say what a woman was, so I can't vote for him.

Just going back to the 'getting the big decisions right' myth…..surely the point about Johnson is his total inability to commit; his fatal propensity to avoid making a decision until the very last minute, and by then (as seen most starkly with Covid, more than once) it was effectively too late?

I definitely remember reports of colleagues and public bodies pleading with him to just make a decision NOW, because leaving it a week/a month/whatever would be past the point of usefulness.

Don’t know if this link will work but an interestingJohnson/Trump comparison from Mother Jones.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/07/boris-johnson-donald-trump-resign/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-07-07-2022