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The one where Big Dog gets poop scooped Thread 10

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InMySpareTime · 07/07/2022 13:25

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http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4584475-boris-johnson-and-the-long-road-to-nowhere-38-resignations-and-counting-thread-9

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jgw1 · 12/07/2022 15:21

Roussette · 12/07/2022 15:08

This is the latest as of 15 mins ago.

Updated Tory candidates and backers including themselves - need 21 by 6pm
Rishi Sunak - 44
Penny Mordaunt - 24
Tom Tugendhat - 21
Liz Truss - 21
Kemi Badenoch - 18
Nadhim Zahawi - 15
Jeremy Hunt - 15
Sajid Javid - 13
Suella Braverman - 13
Rehman Chishti - 1

I hope to god, the Poudland Priti (Suella) falls at the first fence.

And yes, I will ridicule them as much as I want. What else is left for us to do.

So the favourite is the former Chancellor who distinguished himself in the role by breaking the law, managing to spend billions of fraud and PPE that wasnt protective, created a housing boom and rose taxes to their highest ever level, whilst overseeing a cost of living crisis.

And @derxa thinks we shouldn't ridicule them?

WaitroseWoman · 12/07/2022 15:25

Roussette · 12/07/2022 15:08

This is the latest as of 15 mins ago.

Updated Tory candidates and backers including themselves - need 21 by 6pm
Rishi Sunak - 44
Penny Mordaunt - 24
Tom Tugendhat - 21
Liz Truss - 21
Kemi Badenoch - 18
Nadhim Zahawi - 15
Jeremy Hunt - 15
Sajid Javid - 13
Suella Braverman - 13
Rehman Chishti - 1

I hope to god, the Poudland Priti (Suella) falls at the first fence.

And yes, I will ridicule them as much as I want. What else is left for us to do.

I can easily see Badenoch, Braverman and their supporters backing Truss. Less sure, but possibly Tugendhat, Mordaunt and their supporters combining too at a later stage?

itsgettingweird · 12/07/2022 15:29

Roussette · 12/07/2022 15:11

If you want to see who your MP is backing, you can try here
Scroll down to put his or her name in.

Mine is 'unclear'. Of course he is Hmm

Mines Suella!

I hoping this brings her down a peg or 2!!!

Roussette · 12/07/2022 15:29

I never thought in a million years I would be discussing the arch Remainer Liz Truss becoming PM. (pork markets!!!)
She changed her views pretty quick didn't she? Which to me means she has no courage of her convictions and is just swayed by power.

itsgettingweird · 12/07/2022 15:30

Yep.

The same way Johnson changed his stance for the job.

History ..........?

Lonelycrab · 12/07/2022 15:32

Yes it’s looking like Sunak vs Truss I think too.

Glad to see Cruella Braverman looks like she’s a gonner. Bloody hope so, she’s head and shoulders above the rest for nastiness I reckon.

Downnotdown · 12/07/2022 15:43

This in the Daily Mirror - can we actually trust it to be accurate when they can't even get the month right?

Candidate - number of backers in first round including themselves. Accurate as of 3pm Tuesday 12 June.

Rishi Sunak - 44
Penny Mordaunt - 24
Tom Tugendhat - 21
Liz Truss - 21
Kemi Badenoch - 18
Nadhim Zahawi - 15
Jeremy Hunt - 15
Sajid Javid - 13
Suella Braverman - 13
Rehman Chishti - 1

WaitroseWoman · 12/07/2022 15:44

This from Simon Jenkins:
There is no grimmer epitaph for Boris Johnson’s Tory leadership than the parade now eager to succeed him. On coming to power three years ago, he decapitated his party of talent. Like a new emperor fearful of rivals, he threw out the Hammonds, Rudds, Gaukes, Clarks and Greenings – anyone who offered an ounce of competence and dignity to his administration. Instead, the path to Downing Street has been crowded with a jostling rabble of second-raters. The party should narrow down its choices as swiftly as voting allows. Then Johnson must go.

Of Sunak’s rivals, both Hunt and Mordaunt have failed to capture the political imagination of the country, while Liz Truss has shown herself startlingly lightweight in her public pronouncements. Her attempt to portray herself as a new Thatcher and as the beacon of the party’s right wing is ludicrous. It is hard to recall her making a thoughtful speech in her life. She lives and breathes cliché. Most of the other candidates lack the experience and gravitas so clearly needed by the country at present. Tom Tugendhat and Kemi Badenoch have never even sat round a cabinet table.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/12/why-labour-party-tories-rishi-sunak

Roussette · 12/07/2022 15:47

@Downnotdown

I put that upthread and it wasn't from the Mirror.

ancientgran · 12/07/2022 15:52

Be good if the list stays like that, if we are down to 4 they should get it over with quickly although I suppose it will just mean the lucky two having even more time to shock and bore us.

Downnotdown · 12/07/2022 15:53

@Roussette perhaps not, but what I've quoted above certainly was in the Mirror.

WaitroseWoman · 12/07/2022 16:10

I know it's all about the leadership/PM elections today, and apologies if I've missed this upthread, but lest we forget Johnson's potential (Dis)Honours List:
Palace advisors working to ensure Boris Johnson’s honours list does not ’embarrass’ Queen
inews.co.uk/news/politics/palace-relies-on-top-civil-servant-to-temper-boris-johnsons-resignation-honours-list-1736380

Roussette · 12/07/2022 16:16

Downnotdown · 12/07/2022 15:53

@Roussette perhaps not, but what I've quoted above certainly was in the Mirror.

Quite likely, no idea who's quoting who Smile

in other news...
BREAKING: Boris Johnson has blocked Labour's bid to hold vote of no confidence in Govt tomorrow
Senior Labour source: "It's just another example of them ripping up the rules to protect their own side. They're saying he's going anyway but they're clearly frightened of losing".

WaitroseWoman · 12/07/2022 16:27

BREAKING: Boris Johnson has blocked Labour's bid to hold vote of no confidence in Govt tomorrow
Surely not...

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2022 16:36

"BREAKING: Boris Johnson has blocked Labour's bid to hold vote of no confidence in Govt tomorrow"

How has he managed that?

Is it not up to the Speaker?

the80sweregreat · 12/07/2022 16:43

I just heard this on lbc
The argument is there is a ' timetable' now to stick to and no point in having a vote of no confidence.
It is another stitch up by them , as if it's not bad enough we have weeks of this leadership battle to put up with only three years after they did the last one!

WaitroseWoman · 12/07/2022 16:51

My understanding is that the Tories will allow time for a VONC in the government but not a VONC in the government and the PM. I suppose some of them might struggle to vote against a VONC if BJ is included in the question/motion.

Roussette · 12/07/2022 17:05

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
Update. We now have six confirmed candidates:
Sunak, Mordaunt, Tugendhat, Truss, Hunt, Braverman

Arghhhh Braverman's made it dammit

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2022 17:09

Word from the @KemiBadenoch camp is that she has made it onto the ballot paper

twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1546887903627837441?s=21&t=Zal2r9WSVdPINhbfnZylIQ

DuncinToffee · 12/07/2022 17:11

David Allen Green

'Gov[ernment] spo[kesperson] says Labour was trying to "play politics by tabling a vote of no confidence in the government and the PM"' is a phrase worth thinking about

The test of confidence is crucial in a parliamentary democracy

It should not be disparaged by any government

Quia · 12/07/2022 17:12

Surely the dilemma is easily resolved by the Tories? If they boot Boris now, the VONC goes away. Otherwise they are going to have to spend the next 7 weeks explaining why the voted against him in the internal VONC and/or resigned from posts under him due to his lack of integrity, but nevertheless find themselves able to go back and serve under him now.

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2022 17:13

Well, heaven forbid politics gets in the way of ...oh wait....

DuncinToffee · 12/07/2022 17:14

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2022 17:09

Word from the @KemiBadenoch camp is that she has made it onto the ballot paper

twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1546887903627837441?s=21&t=Zal2r9WSVdPINhbfnZylIQ

Zahawi's team claiming the same for him according to the tweet underneath

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2022 17:17

They are holding out for recess (and hoping we all get our flights out of the UK and forget all about them).

DuncinToffee · 12/07/2022 17:19

Lewis Goodall

Leaving aside who is right here the principle and clear precedent of a govt making time for a confidence motion tabled by the main opposition party is beyond dispute and a key part of our constitution. It’s one of the main ways of demonstrating confidence (or not) in any govt.

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1546886562197241856?t=FRN3Pm8yyWtxcZsIKcCoPw&s=19