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Boris Johnson and the long road to nowhere. 38 resignations and counting.... Thread 9

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Roussette · 06/07/2022 18:43

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vera99 · 07/07/2022 09:01

Carrie probably doesn't live there anymore. Events are moving at pace , Floella Benjamin is now PM, the remaining Chuckle Brother is Chancellor and Barry Scott is Chief Whip. Boris Johnson last seen shuffling into the woods muttering about becoming the Minister Without Cheese. Theresa May is playing We are the champions with Queen on top of Number 10 Downing Street and Parliament is now sponsored by Screwfix.

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 09:01

User135644 · 07/07/2022 08:58

twitter.com/IsabelOakeshott/status/1544945384384073730
@IsabelOakeshott
I can reveal what happened last night with michael gove
. Gove gave Boris Johnson till 9pm to resign. At 8.59pm the prime minister fired him.

How fucking childish. I won't let you resign, because I'll sack you first, Nerr Nerr Nerr.

ancientgran · 07/07/2022 09:02

Roussette · 07/07/2022 08:51

Zahawi is surely the snake now. Yesterday showing complete loyalty to BJ, today stabbing him in the back. This is treating the public with such disdain

He's a bit of a Machiavellian character isn't he, I see him as clever and cunning and it will be interesting (can't think of a more appropriate word but there must be one) to see how it plays out. I thought on Tuesday if Zahawi went that would be it but will Boris listen to him now?

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AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 09:04

balalake · 07/07/2022 08:58

This is not funny any more. Having the worst Prime Minister in history is bad enough, but each hour this drags on is a shame for this country.

Unfortunately we cannot ask Carrie to knock sense into him, as he does not listen to women unless they are offering sexual favours.

If she's there, what on earth can she be saying to him? I mean, if she actually loves him surely she's pushing him to resign for his own good? Or maybe she's just keeping the kids out of the way and planning her exit with Zak.

itsgettingweird · 07/07/2022 09:04

I said yesterday and I still believe that Zahwali took chancellor role to give him more power over Johnson's downfall.

Just something about him that makes me think he genuinely actually wants the country to be financially better for the people in poverty. Maybe his own background?

I'll actually be gutted if he turns out to be a twat too.

Notonthestairs · 07/07/2022 09:04

From the Mail -
"The self inflicted wounds are legion. But the truth is Mr Johnson stands head and shoulders above any of his would be assassins"

And

"PMs should be ousted by the people, not a bunch of TV pundits and bureaucrats deranged by Brexit hatred"

twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1544953921030045696?s=21&t=98okFpN-Um0JWZvp0BFhfA

They certainly are desperate to hold on to him aren't they?

vera99 · 07/07/2022 09:05

He should sack the Queen using some archaic Cromwellian law that hasn't been repealed and make himself King. Suella get your team on that pronto....

ancientgran · 07/07/2022 09:06

ClaudineClare · 07/07/2022 08:56

I have to go out, but I don't want to miss a moment of this, it is incredible!

I'm expecting my Sainsbury's delivery and I'm worried what I'm going to miss while that's going on.

Roussette · 07/07/2022 09:06

itsgettingweird · 07/07/2022 09:04

I said yesterday and I still believe that Zahwali took chancellor role to give him more power over Johnson's downfall.

Just something about him that makes me think he genuinely actually wants the country to be financially better for the people in poverty. Maybe his own background?

I'll actually be gutted if he turns out to be a twat too.

Or simply that he wants the top job?

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Notonthestairs · 07/07/2022 09:07

Hearing that staff in No 10 have been told that Boris Johnson IS resigning and his letter has been prepared. 💥

twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1544955744101044225?s=21&t=98okFpN-Um0JWZvp0BFhfA

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 09:07

Notonthestairs · 07/07/2022 09:04

From the Mail -
"The self inflicted wounds are legion. But the truth is Mr Johnson stands head and shoulders above any of his would be assassins"

And

"PMs should be ousted by the people, not a bunch of TV pundits and bureaucrats deranged by Brexit hatred"

twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1544953921030045696?s=21&t=98okFpN-Um0JWZvp0BFhfA

They certainly are desperate to hold on to him aren't they?

Have they not noticed that it's his own colleagues ousting him, not pundits and bureaucrats?

Christ knows how anyone can blame this on Remainers after Braverman's declaration.

Roussette · 07/07/2022 09:07

ancientgran · 07/07/2022 09:06

I'm expecting my Sainsbury's delivery and I'm worried what I'm going to miss while that's going on.

I'm at the dentist waiting to go in. Ditto!

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DuncinToffee · 07/07/2022 09:08

As if kids and teachers haven't been fucked over enough

With weeks to go to what could well be a very chaotic exam results season, the Department for Education now has just one, junior, unpaid minister, who is a peer (Diana Barran).

Resign

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 09:08

Ben wallace has released a statement to say he can not resign due to his duty to the public but he is saying that johnson must go.

MediocreHRPerson · 07/07/2022 09:08

One of the Tory Times Radio guests just said that Boris doesn't get much domestic support. I think he was talking about Carrie. What direction thet even mean?

Astounded how far men will go to blame women for other men's actions.

ancientgran · 07/07/2022 09:09

Roussette · 07/07/2022 09:07

I'm at the dentist waiting to go in. Ditto!

Hope it isn't anything too painful and doesn't take too long.

Summer15coming · 07/07/2022 09:09

He's standing down!!

Cedilla · 07/07/2022 09:09

He’s gone. Just announced on Today.

Summer15coming · 07/07/2022 09:09

Just announced on radio 4.

Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 09:10

Cummings has just tweeted:

Inside the bunker they're saying it's over & he'll resign, Cabinet Secretary organising process for new PM
#RegimeChange is here

BiggerBoat1 · 07/07/2022 09:10

Notonthestairs · 07/07/2022 09:07

Hearing that staff in No 10 have been told that Boris Johnson IS resigning and his letter has been prepared. 💥

twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1544955744101044225?s=21&t=98okFpN-Um0JWZvp0BFhfA

His resignation letter will be comedy Gold.

Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 09:10

BBC Political Editor has said that a resignation is imminent.

mum2jakie · 07/07/2022 09:10

He's finally going today!! How painful 😂

coffeeandbiscuittime · 07/07/2022 09:11

He has accepted he has to go!!

RedToothBrush · 07/07/2022 09:11

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 08:52

There are tweets from a constitutional expert quoted on another thread on MN. What it boils down to is that it is open to Labour to force a vote of No confidence; if he loses, that can lead to an election or the Queen asking him to resign and someone else to form a government (presumably Raab). If he asks for an election, under the Lascelles principles she can also refuse. But I suspect that Buck House are desperate for her not to get dragged into this.

The producers of The Crown must be cancelling all bets in relation to their previous decision not to bring the series up to the present day.

RedToothBrush · Today 07:55

This is a constitutional expert:

Mark Elliott AT profmarkelliott
Does the PM’s refusal to resign mean the UK is in a ‘constitutional crisis’? That’s a vague notion, but I think the answer is that it implies he’s willing to create one very soon. Another way of framing the question is: At what point must Boris Johnson resign? /1

As I’ve explained in another thread, Johnson has no ‘personal mandate’ as Prime Minister: that’s a concept unknown to the British constitution. Johnson’s invocation of ‘his’ 14 million votes is a constitutional dead cat. /2

The Prime Minister’s legitimacy derives from their leadership of a party that can form a Government capable of commanding the confidence of the House of Commons. If Johnson is ousted as Conservative leader, constitutional principle will require him to resign as PM. /3

If the Conservative Party was unable to oust him as its leader (eg if the 1922 Committee fails to change its rules and organise a new vote of no confidence), the Opposition could move a motion of no confidence in the House of Commons. /4

If the Commons voted no confidence, Johnson would be constitutionally required to resign. It would then be open to the Queen to appoint as PM the person best placed to command the confidence of the Commons. Otherwise, there would need to be dissolution & a general election. /5

The principle that the PM must be able to govern, including by appointing Ministers to their Government, is so obvious that it is not generally articulated in constitutional texts. But it is surely an implicit constitutional principle. It seems Johnson cannot now govern /6

If, therefore, Johnson cannot populate his Government with Ministers, he will arguably be required, as a matter of constitutional principle, to resign, although a vote of no confidence would formally confirm that position. /7

It is not straightforwardly open to Johnson to escape a requirement to resign by calling a general election, because the Queen would arguably be entitled to refuse to dissolve Parliament in the current circumstances, as explained here. /8

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Whatever else might be unclear this afternoon, one thing is perfectly clear: Boris Johnson has no right straightforwardly to call a general election. Under the Lascelles Principles, the Queen can deny a request to dissolve Parliament when the following conditions are met.
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Where does this leave us? Johnson plainly now lacks the confidence of most of his MPs and therefore the Commons, so it is arguably already his constitutional duty to resign, but a vote of no confidence will put that beyond doubt. /9

Johnson’s insistence he’ll carry on implies he’s willing to create a constitutional crisis. If he refused to resign following a vote of no confidence, the Queen would be entitled to dismiss him. It’s therefore constitutionally idiotic for him not to resign now. 10/10

Boris Johnson and the long road to nowhere.  38 resignations and counting.... Thread 9