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Original poster

New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

956 replies

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 06:56

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

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RedMake88 · 28/04/2022 07:29

Has she got a LinkedIn profile? although I guess that could be fake, does passport match birth certificate?

DolphinaPD · 28/04/2022 07:29

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 07:25

The thing is this, the first job she ever had was with a company, a very large one that people know, that went under

And the others are with big companies too. So not little ones where you can just exaggerate the job title there

A good example is the CV listing things like 'Managing multiple diaries for Director' or 'organising flights and accommodation across multiple time zones'

You wouldn't give that to a 13-15 year old surely, in a blue chip company

Has she inflated her 2 week work experience?

ItJustIs · 28/04/2022 07:30

Sounds like she got a good start in the family business & is now branching out on her own? Have you googled the business on her CV?

Original poster
londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 07:30

@RedMake88 yes they both match

She doesn't have LinkedIn from what I can see

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Original poster
londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 07:31

ItJustIs · 28/04/2022 07:30

Sounds like she got a good start in the family business & is now branching out on her own? Have you googled the business on her CV?

I didn't need to! It's a big company that went under

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EmilyBolton · 28/04/2022 07:31

Chica10 · 28/04/2022 07:03

She could have left school at 16 and this was her first job but perhaps she just exaggerated the job description?

My son was born 1997 and was the first year school leaving age was raised to 18.
she might have left “school” at 16 but if she did she still had to be in full time education of some sort anyway such as apprenticeship

AnIckabog · 28/04/2022 07:31

If she took GCSEs in 2018 that was the transition period, my students that year had some in the A*-C system and some in 9-4. I imagine people of that age will convert them to one or the other on their CVs for simplicity.
But education or training until age 18 was surely compulsory for that age group? So her jobs at 16-18 should have included a level of apprenticeship or training courses.
OP I think you need to go through her CV with a fine tooth comb and/or get her in and ask her to explain it. The problem isn't her age so it isn't age discrimination. The problem is she seems to have lied on her CV.
Having said that, I worked around school/sixth form and so did many of my friends, so she may not be lying but just have omitted to put that these were part time jobs not fulltime.

Luculentus · 28/04/2022 07:31

DoubleChinWoes2 · 28/04/2022 07:06

If she was born in 2002, she would have 16 into 2018 and she could have left school and been a PA quite easily in that timeline.

I think you should wait and talk to her about it before assuming she's lied.

I think if she has lied, it's best to withdraw the offer. You can do that easily enough if she hasn't started with you, although you need to clearly set out it's for dishonestly rather than being 19 (because otherwise you may find yourself being taken to a tribunal for age discrimination).

She may be telling the truth, and if so, I take it she's still the best person for the job? Then I'd be recommending you continue with the offer

She couldn't have left education at 16 if she was in the UK. Since 2015 it's been compulsory to stay in education or training to the age of 18.

BarbaraofSeville · 28/04/2022 07:31

Cross posted.

Your employer is required to check that she is who she says she is and has the right to work in the UK. They should follow whatever checks that are established good practice in this regard.

Couldn't you/they follow up the references to check the nature of the jobs/duties/hours of employment/type and size of company etc?

Roselilly36 · 28/04/2022 07:31

If she was born in 2002, she wouldn’t leave education at 16, they are not allowed to leave ft education until 18, so either 6th form, apprenticeship or college. Something doesn’t add up here. Have you asked her?

Bunnyfuller · 28/04/2022 07:31

Ring the companies - by googling them and their number, not just using the info she’s provided.

SouperNoodle · 28/04/2022 07:32

Bunnyfuller · 28/04/2022 07:31

Ring the companies - by googling them and their number, not just using the info she’s provided.

I second this.

Roselilly36 · 28/04/2022 07:32

@Luculentus sorry x post, my immediate thoughts too.

BeaLola · 28/04/2022 07:32

Did you not see a Passport of a Driving Licence ?

I think your HR email response is surprising - surely they can pick up the issue from your email ?

Definitely would be checking but I wouldn't assume "fake" until checks were made

jowly · 28/04/2022 07:33

Just call her and ask?

pennee · 28/04/2022 07:33

I started a job at 17/18 as an office junior. The office manager walked out on day three. Instantly I was promoted to office manager and owner’s PA in charge of the whole show because the owner was I’ll. maybe she was as unlucky as me 😆

LittleYellowDog · 28/04/2022 07:33

EmilyBolton · 28/04/2022 07:31

My son was born 1997 and was the first year school leaving age was raised to 18.
she might have left “school” at 16 but if she did she still had to be in full time education of some sort anyway such as apprenticeship

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Not accurate, they can be in employment as well.

AlisonDonut · 28/04/2022 07:33

The thing is this, the first job she ever had was with a company, a very large one that people know, that went under

So you can't contact them them? That is quite clever of her. If she was 13 at the time.

Luculentus · 28/04/2022 07:34

LittleYellowDog · 28/04/2022 07:22

No she wouldn't. Education EMPLOYMENT or training

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No, the legal requirement is to be in education or training. NOT employment.

Daisycrown · 28/04/2022 07:34

It would've been nepotism at its finest and she did it after school or during the holidays. She still did it.
Either that or she's sent the wrong birth certificate e.g younger sister.

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londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 07:34

pennee · 28/04/2022 07:33

I started a job at 17/18 as an office junior. The office manager walked out on day three. Instantly I was promoted to office manager and owner’s PA in charge of the whole show because the owner was I’ll. maybe she was as unlucky as me 😆

You weren't 13/14 though were you, and you didn't work for a company like Microsoft, Disney, Harrods. That type of role

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ItJustIs · 28/04/2022 07:34

Sorry just read your latest posts. Surely you can just ask her? How did you come by x job at x company at the age of 15?

Loopytiles · 28/04/2022 07:35

I would ask for additional ID.

Daisycrown · 28/04/2022 07:35

I had my first office job whilst I was at school.

WeCouldBeSpearows · 28/04/2022 07:36

She couldn't have left education at 16 if she was in the UK. Since 2015 it's been compulsory to stay in education or training to the age of 18

England is not the UK.

It is entirely possible to leave school at 16 and go straight into work in the UK.