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Hepatitis outbreak in children

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MumbleCrumbs · 15/04/2022 22:07

I'm currently really quite unwell with Covid and not sleeping very well so please be gentle, but is anyone else really worried about the reports of this hepatitis outbreak in children now being monitored by the WHO? It seems to have gained traction over the last few days and lots of reports coming out about it now. I know very little about hepatitis but I know its quite rare to see such severe cases in children. Could Covid be the cause? I'm just feeling really quite worried about it and so sad for these poor children and their families, how horrendous after we've all just come through a pandemic Sad.

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Blueyandbingosmum · 06/05/2022 17:48

Another article in the Daily Mail (not a great source admittedly) noting a significant number of cases were in families that owned a dog or had 'dog contact' so this is being investigated as one of many potential links.

milkyaqua · 09/05/2022 03:44

Still no answers, but nice rundown of events and how hypotheses are tested:

www.statnews.com/2022/05/04/with-usual-suspects-ruled-out-disease-detectives-try-to-crack-mystery-of-viral-hepatitis-cases-in-kids/

Greenbay457 · 13/05/2022 17:10

I’ve just seen that there are now 176 cases in the U.K. and they still don’t know the cause? Feeling slightly concerned about this now!

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Beebatron · 13/05/2022 19:20

Greenbay457 · 13/05/2022 17:10

I’ve just seen that there are now 176 cases in the U.K. and they still don’t know the cause? Feeling slightly concerned about this now!

I agree its really worrying Sad

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 20:03

I've just been reading how it could be the adenovirus in the Covid 19 vaccines going rouge. Both the AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson vaccines contain adenovirus vectors.

And those very young children who are affected have been breastfeed within the last 12 months by fully vaccinated mother's.

Greenbay457 · 13/05/2022 20:08

Hi @Olivestone do you have a link for that please?

NotMyDayJob · 13/05/2022 20:21

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 20:03

I've just been reading how it could be the adenovirus in the Covid 19 vaccines going rouge. Both the AstraZeneca and Johnson and Johnson vaccines contain adenovirus vectors.

And those very young children who are affected have been breastfeed within the last 12 months by fully vaccinated mother's.

You need to cite a source for something like that otherwise it's just outrageous scaremongering

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 20:25

Greenbay457 · 13/05/2022 20:08

Hi @Olivestone do you have a link for that please?

@Greenbay457 Sorry, I should have added it in.
This is a paper about the hazards of adenovirus gene therapy:
gut.bmj.com/content/48/5/733

User7493268965 · 13/05/2022 20:28

The vaccine connection sounds very unlikely anyway as most women under 40 didn't have AZ or J and J, they had Pfizer, also the breastfeeding would have been in the last year so pretty much anyone over the age of 2 or 3 wouldn't be affected, aren't some of the children older.

NotMyDayJob · 13/05/2022 20:40

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 20:25

@Greenbay457 Sorry, I should have added it in.
This is a paper about the hazards of adenovirus gene therapy:
gut.bmj.com/content/48/5/733

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Source for the breastfeeding reference?

Workinghardeveryday · 13/05/2022 21:00

@Olivestone but there were kids as old as16?...

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 21:36

Workinghardeveryday · 13/05/2022 21:00

@Olivestone but there were kids as old as16?...

@Workinghardeveryday 5 year olds and above have had access to the vaccine.

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 21:56

User7493268965 · 13/05/2022 20:28

The vaccine connection sounds very unlikely anyway as most women under 40 didn't have AZ or J and J, they had Pfizer, also the breastfeeding would have been in the last year so pretty much anyone over the age of 2 or 3 wouldn't be affected, aren't some of the children older.

It looks like Pfizer and Moderna have the same issue

www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(21)02093-6/fulltext

I've only mentioned it as was reading about this today and it rang some alarm bells for me.

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/05/2022 21:56

I'm not sure that paper can be used to support a hypothesis that being breastfed by a vaccinated adult could be a cause. It seems to be talking about something entirely different.

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 22:49

@RafaistheKingofClay No those papers are just about vaccine induced hepatitis.

But the discussion I was reading was around the potential for the vaccine to pass more than vaccine antibodies via breast milk. But that is the hypothesis and as far as I am aware not fully researched yet.

But it was the vaccine induced hepatitis which made me look into it.

EgonSpengler2020 · 13/05/2022 22:59

Olivestone · 13/05/2022 22:49

@RafaistheKingofClay No those papers are just about vaccine induced hepatitis.

But the discussion I was reading was around the potential for the vaccine to pass more than vaccine antibodies via breast milk. But that is the hypothesis and as far as I am aware not fully researched yet.

But it was the vaccine induced hepatitis which made me look into it.

This was one of the hypothesis that went through my head when the hepatitis cases in children start to emerge.

My DD is 4.3, she was still being breastfed for 5 months after I could have had my first vaccine. So it's certainly possible that there are kids up to 5 years old who were breastfed by vaccinated mother's, so surely it is a hypothesis that needs to be investigated and, hopefully, excluded.

milkyaqua · 13/05/2022 23:47

I've just been reading how it could be the adenovirus in the Covid 19 vaccines going rouge.

Don't be silly. You should be blushing at yourself making such a statement.

Organictangerine · 14/05/2022 00:00

Sorry it’s late and my brain is a bit fried but what would be passed in the breastmilk that could cause this?

EgonSpengler2020 · 14/05/2022 06:31

Organictangerine · 14/05/2022 00:10

Thanks for that, glad the data has been collected to exclude this theory.

Also, logically the UK would not have high numbers of cases relative to other countries if breastmilk was the cause due to low breastfeeding rates (particularly extended breastfeeding) in this country.

FloLoNo · 14/05/2022 07:02

Has the dog association been debunked?

Olivestone · 14/05/2022 08:58

EgonSpengler2020 · 14/05/2022 06:31

Thanks for that, glad the data has been collected to exclude this theory.

Also, logically the UK would not have high numbers of cases relative to other countries if breastmilk was the cause due to low breastfeeding rates (particularly extended breastfeeding) in this country.

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@Organictangerine That full fact article doesn't tell us if the mother's of the young children were or were not breastfeeding or if they were or were not vaccinated. It says they don't know.

Although it does still mean children 5 years plus who have had the vaccine could be at risk of Covid vaccine induced hepatitis ( which I was not aware of before) although again rare.

Still not convinced on the breastfeeding as the full fact article says there's no evidence but have they looked for any? Often research takes years to find links in things and the Covid vaccines are still in trial stages.

Owwlie · 14/05/2022 09:14

@Olivestone don’t spread stupid scaremongering. They’ve ruled the vaccine out as none of the children under 5 in the UK who developed hepatitis had the Covid vaccine. And I really doubt there’s that many 3-5 year olds still being breastfed, plus that would have been noted by doctors due to being uncommon and flagged up. Also, given the cluster of cases (I.e. Scotland) it’s far more likely to be a virus circulating.

The question is whether it’s difficult to transmit between people and why there’s only been less than 200 cases in several months or whether it’s spreading on a mass scale already and there’s a small percentage ending up in hospital. It seems that they think the latter is more likely as articles mention that many mild cases may have gone unnoticed as liver inflammation is fairly common during viruses and rectifies itself.

Given that after the 1918 pandemic they also saw an increase in hepatitis in children after I’m guessing it’s due to lockdowns and immature immune systems. Social distancing was practised then as well. It would be interesting to know the level of distancing of the affected children during lockdown, so how many were key worker children and still in school or how many were at home for months.

Delatron · 14/05/2022 10:35

I still think it’s down to lockdowns and social distancing affecting the development of immune systems at crucial times and also suppressing the usual circulating viruses. So the normal patterns of infection are disrupted. Less immunity in the younger ones as they haven’t been exposed in the formative years means the adenovirus causes issues it wouldn’t normally. And circulates more due to this lowered immunity. Adults and older children are less affected as they’ve built up the necessary immunity.

Makes the most sense (to me) but they will have problems proving this. More research on the impact of lockdowns and social distancing needs to be done. Particularly on young children.

I hope they find answers soon as like I said this is far more concerning to children than Covid ever was

milkyaqua · 14/05/2022 12:34

and the Covid vaccines are still in trial stages.

Ye gods. Where are you getting your "information" from??