Page 9 | Boris has been fined - Part 2

cakeorwine · 2022-04-13T20:00:49+00:00

Because this is going to go on and on..... With more fines Part 1 here [[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go]]

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 09:10

@cakeorwine

He has said that all guidance was followed.

So I do wonder what exact guidance he was following?

Did they have fewer face to face meetings?
Did they try to socially distance in the workplace?
Limit numbers in the room?
Reduce the staff who could go to a canteen to get food

All guidance from the voices in his head more than likely. His brain must be like a factory of lies.

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 09:15

'Honestly, they’re just a complete shower and it’s embarrassing that it’s had to come to pressure to get the police involved'

His (brief) birthday party greeting at work was reported in the papers in 2020. There was an article on it, in the Times! No one cared then.

If the police didn't think there was a problem then why do they now?

That is why these fpns aren't worth the paper they are written on.

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 09:23

@JaniieJones

'Honestly, they’re just a complete shower and it’s embarrassing that it’s had to come to pressure to get the police involved'

His (brief) birthday party greeting at work was reported in the papers in 2020. There was an article on it, in the Times! No one cared then.

If the police didn't think there was a problem then why do they now?

That is why these fpns aren't worth the paper they are written on.

The fact that YOU didn't care then is very different from saying no one cared then. I cared then, like lots of people. Don't imply we are all of a similar thinking to you.

Have you notified the police that their FPN's aren't worth the paper they're written on? Are you operating on some different legal system to the rest of us?

Roussette · 15/04/2022 09:23

Maybe take it up with the Met then?
The police were quite happy to issue FPNs to the general public for even less, why should the government be a special case?

Roussette · 15/04/2022 09:28

Maybe have a read of this Janiie if you dare.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/14/grieving-families-will-never-forgive-or-forget-boris-johnsons-rule-breaking

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 09:30

If the police didn't think there was a problem then why do they now?

Because they’ve got evidence from Sue Gray and Cressida Dick’s out of the way, Johnson et al can’t hide behind Mummy’s apron any more.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 09:32

@JaniieJones

'And Johnson has accepted that he broke the law so I don't know why people are refusing to accept it. '

Because context counts. We can agree a jobsworth in the Met issued an fpn but if other police forces didn't issue fpns for exactly the same situation it makes it all meaningless and absolutely reduces the impact when we know this situation was a non event.

If there was a flat party they should really stop wasting everyone's time and focus on that.

Which other forces? Are you saying the lawmaker PM has had similar gatherings in other police areas and they have been ignored? I think we need to know more about that.

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 09:34

'Maybe take it up with the Met then?'

Well I'm hardly likely to do that am I. I am pointing out the inconvenient fact that this wasn't hidden or secret, it was in the papers. No one cared then, not the public nor the police. Something others where doing at work, wishing colleagues happy birthday at work.

It would make any actual rule breaks ie socialising out of work more relevant if they weren't wasting time with this crap, but I think by this stage most people think the whole thing is an overegged fiasco.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 09:34

@Millicent2022

Sorry if this has been posted already

That is heartbreaking.

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 09:35

@janiiejones why do you keep saying no one cared? It's pretty clear that people did.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 09:36

I think by this stage most people think the whole thing is an overegged fiasco

You’re wrong. They don’t.

Piggywaspushed · 15/04/2022 09:36

I mean if I didn't think the '9 minute' 'cake' was an issue , but thought a 'proper party' would be, I'd be keeping my powder dry for a few weeks instead of doubling down by suggesting the law is an ass.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 09:40

@JaniieJones

'Honestly, they’re just a complete shower and it’s embarrassing that it’s had to come to pressure to get the police involved'

His (brief) birthday party greeting at work was reported in the papers in 2020. There was an article on it, in the Times! No one cared then.

If the police didn't think there was a problem then why do they now?

That is why these fpns aren't worth the paper they are written on.

According to reports his was worth £50 which he's paid. The next one will be higher.

Peregrina · 15/04/2022 09:41

We don't think it's an overegged fiasco, but I think a number of people are secretly pleased that they quietly ignored the guidance, (in a limited and specific way, of course) when they did have an elderly relative over, despite the law. Possibly an elderly relative who has subsequently died.

Roussette · 15/04/2022 09:41

Well I'm hardly likely to do that am I

Why not?
You seem convinced it's some eager beaver lone met officer making a point, so why not if that's the case?
(Hardly likely, given the implications of a FPN for the PM and the Chancellor but if you think it's some sort of plot, contact them)

Have you read my link? Do those people talking of their experiences at the time come under the category of "most people think it's an overegged fiasco"

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 09:41

An overegged fiasco is what Boris would like people to think this is. However the majority of people thankfully don't think how Boris and his supporters think. Otherwise we'd all be lying, corrupt, self centred, entitled, gaslighting narcissists who think the laws don't apply to them or that the laws have 9 minute loopholes.

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 09:46

Rousette. Regarding your link I of of course have every sympathy for people that lost family or had relatives in hospital and couldn't see them, we experienced it, I think most people did. However if Johnson had been spending time with terminally ill family or attending large funerals when no one else could I could understand the comparison. He didn't. Hospitals sadly were high risk areas, you couldn't have people coming and going.

At the moment all we know is he had people wishing him happy birthday at work, again something that went on up and down the country at work.

If he has had a party that is of course wrong but for the trillionth time the impact of that is getting diluted in workplace nit-picking stuff.

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 09:50

You don't really have any empathy or sympathy for these families if you say you do but then say 'however'...and go on to try to justify what Boris did.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 09:54

if Johnson had been spending time with terminally ill family or attending large funerals when no one else could I could understand the comparison

If he had done those things we might be a bit more understanding. As it is ordinary people underwent heartbreaking hardship while he was unlawfully celebrating his birthday. I don’t imagine the Queen who sat alone at her husband’s funeral thinks it’s an over egged fiasco.

DuncinToffee · 15/04/2022 09:55

Call it what you like Janiie, the fact remains that Boris Johnson is the first sitting Prime Minister to have broken the law

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 09:56

@JaniieJones

'Honestly, they’re just a complete shower and it’s embarrassing that it’s had to come to pressure to get the police involved'

His (brief) birthday party greeting at work was reported in the papers in 2020. There was an article on it, in the Times! No one cared then.

If the police didn't think there was a problem then why do they now?

That is why these fpns aren't worth the paper they are written on.

@JaniieJones If brief birthday parties were allowed at time, why was that not made clear? After all they were having daily briefings to tell us what we could and couldn't do. It would have saved an awful lot of embarrassment.
Are you you saying that despite employing a large communications department that the government is so bad at communicating they failed to communicate that brief birthday parties were fine?

Roussette · 15/04/2022 10:00

It wasn't just hospitals though, was it?

Cancer patients at home whose family couldn't be with them when they died, I spoke yesterday of a woman who hadn't seen her sister when she died because she did what she was told to do.

Saying it's just hospitals is nonsense.
The cold empty funerals, not being able to comfort each other, the lasting impact of that.

And no, people up and down the country were NOT doing what he did at work. That's just you trying to justify it.
There is NO justification and I honestly can't get why you try.
You must be embarrassed by him by now. I would be if I were you

StormzyinaTCup · 15/04/2022 10:00

It would make any actual rule breaks ie socialising out of work more relevant if they weren't wasting time with this crap, but I think by this stage most people think the whole thing is an overegged fiasco.

I agree.

If he had been visiting his mum in a home when no one else could, or held a birthday party for Wilf when no one else could then I could understand the outrage over this but he didn't. He was in his place of work with work colleagues dealing with a unique and very stressful situation and a few colleagues popped in to wish him a 'happy birthday' and gift him a cake. If it was me in that situation I'd say 'thanks very much, pass me a paper plate and make mine a large slice'.

For me, if it turns out he was at an actual party then that's a different matter but this I can't get over excited about.

Piggywaspushed · 15/04/2022 10:02

I'm enjoying the overegging of the cake analogy.

NETSRIK · 15/04/2022 10:04

Watch this space then because he will.