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Ukraine Invasion: Part 17

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MagicFox · 27/03/2022 07:23

A new place for us to convene, thread 17.

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RedToothBrush · 01/04/2022 15:01

I have to say i did like the choice of photo the telegraph used for that article.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 17
Ukraine Invasion: Part 17
RedToothBrush · 01/04/2022 15:04

Kevin Rothrock @kevinrothrock
The Perekrestok supermarket chain has apparently started locking down its canned meats in the city of Izhevsk, the capital of Russia’s Udmurt Republic (northeast of Kazan).

Ukraine Invasion: Part 17
Ukraine Invasion: Part 17
DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 15:04

@ClaudineClare

But they have published his name and photo

I don't think they have published his photo, the photos are of the two other teenagers, Edik's is not there, just a stock photo.

Remember some photo may be of faces that don't exist.

forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/

DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 15:09

This floated past my LinkedIn. Seemed a good a time as any to cry.

Lidiya Terpel

Founder at Skyworker.ai🇺🇦

#formynewPolishfriends🇵🇱🇺🇦
"How can we help you?" – the Poles ask me without stopping. I have the impression that not only ordinary Ukrainians have a lump in their throat because of "I'm not doing enough." The same is read in your eyes, my new Polish friends. I want to tell you something as a Ukrainian:

You are doing a lot! I will forever be grateful to you for the little things that are usual for you, but for me, this is something much more:

.... when you can't find a pharmaceutical company with the necessary medicines for Ukrainians, and you get a video from a familiar Polish woman with tears in her eyes “Lidiya, look, we have gathered doctors from our city. They are already running around the city and collecting this medicine from pharmacies for you, and tomorrow we will make the first sending to the border.”

.... a free apartment from an investment fund in Poland, so I can get things together after a long exhausting way here.

... the exchange of my cash in hryvnias for zloty at an unprecedented favorable rate. I ask, "Oh, where is such a profitable exchanger? I will tell other Ukrainians." And the Pole replies, "Lidiya, in fact, I kept these hryvnias for myself and just gave you zloty. When it's over, we'll celebrate the victory for these hryvnias in Kyiv!”

... when Polish investors give you their own seats in office for free, so that you have a place to work.

... when a Pole offers you to stay in the house where he lives with his family, in the evening you receive a letter from his wife about how she decorated the house with flowers and is already looking forward to your visit.

… when they just find out that you like cocoa and you see it on your table in the morning.

... when your Polish business competitors exlain how to enter the local market so that your business can survive.

... when you arrive at a new empty apartment and the neighbors complete it with everything from furniture to shampoo in a few hours.

… when a four-year-old girl from Poland gives all her toys to my two-year-old goddaughter from Ukraine.

... when you see "JESTEŚMY Z WAMI" at every step.

My Polish friends! I want you to know that in gratitude for this, all my life, I will tell my relatives, my children, my business partners, in my performances on stage, "When trouble happened, the Poles helped me." And this warmth from the word "Polish" will be in the hearts of several generations of Ukrainians.

People of Poland! You are doing enough! Keep doing this further! There is no measure for goodness. Let's cultivate kindness because we have a common enemy - russia. And while our brave Ukrainian soldiers on the front line are defeating the new fascism, I ask you to help their children, wives, and parents in getting through these difficult times.

JESTEŚMY Z WAMI💙💛
Dziękuję🇵🇱 Edyta Gleich 🚀Michal Rokosz 🌊Maciej (Matt) Małysz 🚀Tomasz Swieboda Piotr Nowosielski Jakub Maj Piotr Zientara Victoria Umanska Bohdan Mashtalir 🚀Krzysztof Przybylak Maciej

Ijsbear · 01/04/2022 15:33

I wonder if there's any truth in that report about his health. It seems too good to be true that he might possibly be on his way out.

shreddednips · 01/04/2022 15:35

@RedToothBrush

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/vladimir-putin-visited-cancer-doctor-35-times-bathes-deer-antlers/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648820674 Vladimir Putin 'visited by cancer doctor 35 times and bathes in deer antlers' The Russian president also bathes in extract of antlers in the hope of supporting his health, according to Proekt a Russian media outlet

Vladimir Putin took a cancer specialist with him on regular trips away from Moscow, according to a new investigation that raises further questions about his health.

The Russian president, the report says, is frequently visited by doctors in the resort city of Sochi and keeps a thyroid specialist at his side.

The specialist, Yevgeny Selivanov, of Moscow's Central Clinical Hospital, has allegedly flown to Sochi with the president 35 times, according to documents purporting to show hotel bills.

The claims have been published by Proekt, an investigative journalism outlet that was founded in Russia but which is now blocked by the Russian government.

And

The report suggests that Mr Putin secretly underwent surgery last autumn, saying that the president “did not appear in public for the entire month of September. In medical circles, it is believed that the president was undergoing a complicated procedure related to some kind of thyroid disease during this period.”

And

The report claims that Mr Putin also bathes in deer antlers as an alternative therapy. Sergei Shoigu, currently Russia’s defence minister, introduced Mr Putin to antler baths in the early 2000s. The extract is taken from the antlers of red deer, removed with a saw in springtime, when the antlers are full of fresh blood.

Clinics that sell antler baths claim that the practice bestows various health benefits. Those benefits, according to a clinic in Siberia’s Altai Mountains, include “male potency.”

The report says: “An acquaintance of the president claims that he had been warned that there is no conclusive evidence of the benefits of antler baths. But Mr Putin liked it, and since then he has revisited Altai multiple times.”

Bahahaahhaaha. Today is not the best day to run that story. Deer antler baths!?!!

This is brilliant 😆 just the headline had me chuckling.
DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 15:41

The report claims that Mr Putin also bathes in deer antlers as an alternative therapy. Sergei Shoigu, currently Russia’s defence minister, introduced Mr Putin to antler baths in the early 2000s. The extract is taken from the antlers of red deer, removed with a saw in springtime, when the antlers are full of fresh blood.

No wonder he gets on so well with the Chinese then ....

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 01/04/2022 15:42

Really pisses me off this narrative that Putin has cancer and that's why he's acting the way he is. Fuck that shit. My sister died of cancer. She wasn't turned into an evil, mass murdering psychopath by the treatment she was undergoing. Putin is doing what he's doing because he wants to and he places no value on human life.

Alwayscheerful · 01/04/2022 15:42

@DGRossetti

This floated past my LinkedIn. Seemed a good a time as any to cry.

Lidiya Terpel

Founder at Skyworker.ai🇺🇦

#formynewPolishfriends🇵🇱🇺🇦
"How can we help you?" – the Poles ask me without stopping. I have the impression that not only ordinary Ukrainians have a lump in their throat because of "I'm not doing enough." The same is read in your eyes, my new Polish friends. I want to tell you something as a Ukrainian:

You are doing a lot! I will forever be grateful to you for the little things that are usual for you, but for me, this is something much more:

.... when you can't find a pharmaceutical company with the necessary medicines for Ukrainians, and you get a video from a familiar Polish woman with tears in her eyes “Lidiya, look, we have gathered doctors from our city. They are already running around the city and collecting this medicine from pharmacies for you, and tomorrow we will make the first sending to the border.”

.... a free apartment from an investment fund in Poland, so I can get things together after a long exhausting way here.

... the exchange of my cash in hryvnias for zloty at an unprecedented favorable rate. I ask, "Oh, where is such a profitable exchanger? I will tell other Ukrainians." And the Pole replies, "Lidiya, in fact, I kept these hryvnias for myself and just gave you zloty. When it's over, we'll celebrate the victory for these hryvnias in Kyiv!”

... when Polish investors give you their own seats in office for free, so that you have a place to work.

... when a Pole offers you to stay in the house where he lives with his family, in the evening you receive a letter from his wife about how she decorated the house with flowers and is already looking forward to your visit.

… when they just find out that you like cocoa and you see it on your table in the morning.

... when your Polish business competitors exlain how to enter the local market so that your business can survive.

... when you arrive at a new empty apartment and the neighbors complete it with everything from furniture to shampoo in a few hours.

… when a four-year-old girl from Poland gives all her toys to my two-year-old goddaughter from Ukraine.

... when you see "JESTEŚMY Z WAMI" at every step.

My Polish friends! I want you to know that in gratitude for this, all my life, I will tell my relatives, my children, my business partners, in my performances on stage, "When trouble happened, the Poles helped me." And this warmth from the word "Polish" will be in the hearts of several generations of Ukrainians.

People of Poland! You are doing enough! Keep doing this further! There is no measure for goodness. Let's cultivate kindness because we have a common enemy - russia. And while our brave Ukrainian soldiers on the front line are defeating the new fascism, I ask you to help their children, wives, and parents in getting through these difficult times.

JESTEŚMY Z WAMI💙💛
Dziękuję🇵🇱 Edyta Gleich 🚀Michal Rokosz 🌊Maciej (Matt) Małysz 🚀Tomasz Swieboda Piotr Nowosielski Jakub Maj Piotr Zientara Victoria Umanska Bohdan Mashtalir 🚀Krzysztof Przybylak Maciej

I shed tears reading this 😥
Ijsbear · 01/04/2022 15:46

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

Really pisses me off this narrative that Putin has cancer and that's why he's acting the way he is. Fuck that shit. My sister died of cancer. She wasn't turned into an evil, mass murdering psychopath by the treatment she was undergoing. Putin is doing what he's doing because he wants to and he places no value on human life.
Oh absolutely.

I think that awful as it is to wish death on another human being, that's what's going on here. I'm sorry about your sister.

prettybird · 01/04/2022 15:48

That was lovely DGRossetti Thanks

Re Putin, my best friend is a GP and is convinced he's on anabolic steroids (based on the evidence of his 6-pack bare torso at an age that gravity

namitynamechange · 01/04/2022 15:48

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

Really pisses me off this narrative that Putin has cancer and that's why he's acting the way he is. Fuck that shit. My sister died of cancer. She wasn't turned into an evil, mass murdering psychopath by the treatment she was undergoing. Putin is doing what he's doing because he wants to and he places no value on human life.
Except the deer antler extract is supposed to cure impotency among other things, so maybe this is all just a massive overcompensation
namitynamechange · 01/04/2022 15:52

Also Flowers for your sister of course - I wanted to make fun of Putin not you!

DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 15:53

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

Really pisses me off this narrative that Putin has cancer and that's why he's acting the way he is. Fuck that shit. My sister died of cancer. She wasn't turned into an evil, mass murdering psychopath by the treatment she was undergoing. Putin is doing what he's doing because he wants to and he places no value on human life.
During "the dark years" (before MiL assaulted me) DW and I bent over backwards to excuse her behaviour due to some underlying disease.

Turned out she really was as nasty, spiteful, violent, greedy, narcissistic and dangerous as she appeared.

One of the medical professionals that she tried to contact (and that's a story no one would believe) said it happens more than we'd like to think.

RedToothBrush · 01/04/2022 15:56

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

Really pisses me off this narrative that Putin has cancer and that's why he's acting the way he is. Fuck that shit. My sister died of cancer. She wasn't turned into an evil, mass murdering psychopath by the treatment she was undergoing. Putin is doing what he's doing because he wants to and he places no value on human life.
I don't think the 'he's got cancer' thing is really aimed at the idea of why he's doing it. I think there is a touch over sensitivity to that one.

I think its probably taking aim very firmly at his sense of ultra-masculinity which is a running theme. The images of him being 'strong' and tough don't fit with the idea of a man hiding away in a bunker scared of covid and potentially dying.

His appeal to the Russian public is largely built on this image of the macho man.

By sowing the seeds of doubt in that, or that he's starting to weaken, its a powerful way to try and encourage others that 'now might be the right moment'.

The article almost explictly spells it out in saying that he liked the deer antler baths because he 'helps male potency'. Well of course, why does he need help revitalising his male potency if he's so very strong and masculine?

Get the idea?

I personally, treat all these reports of his declining health are fabricated nonsense as a starting point. Until he's personally admitted it or he's actually dead all it is, is an exercise in wishful thinking.

Where it interests me is more in how its used as propaganda and how it must drive him mad to hear of so many reports. Its not flattering to the ego.

Its the equivalent of 'Doesn't she look tired?'

DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 15:57

The best thing we could do in the west is run a series of headlines ...

Oh deer ! You'll never guess how we pranked Putin !

prettybird · 01/04/2022 15:58

Oops - posted by accident Blush

That Ukrainian => Poland letter of thanks was lovely DGRossetti Thanks

Re Putin, my best friend is a GP and is convinced he's on anabolic steroids (based on the evidence of his 6-pack bare torso at an age that gravity should have been having an effect, his recent puffy face and rumours of heart problems, combined with his supposed narcissism Wink).

She said that in addition to heart problems, anabolic steroids can cause aggression, trigger psychosis - and on the plus side Wink, cause someone to drop dead with a heart attack.

Here's hoping Hmm

(She's a lovely doctor, honest Grin)

DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 15:58

The images of him being 'strong' and tough don't fit with the idea of a man hiding away in a bunker scared of covid and potentially dying.

Anyone else remember how Saddam went ?

RedToothBrush · 01/04/2022 15:59

TANKS INCOMING!

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto
New: Germany has approved delivery of 56 combat tanks to Ukraine, a German Defense Ministry spokeswoman told CNN. The tanks are from the Cold War-era East German army and had been sold to Sweden, then resold to the Czech Republic who will deliver them to Ukraine.

DGRossetti · 01/04/2022 16:02

She said that in addition to heart problems, anabolic steroids can cause aggression, trigger psychosis - and on the plus side wink, cause someone to drop dead with a heart attack.

I look forward to Armando Ianucci's Death of Putin .

From memory not a few MNetters would see Jason Isaacs cast Grin

RedToothBrush · 01/04/2022 16:08

@DGRossetti

The images of him being 'strong' and tough don't fit with the idea of a man hiding away in a bunker scared of covid and potentially dying.

Anyone else remember how Saddam went ?

His biggest fear is going like Gaddafi
Ijsbear · 01/04/2022 16:14

@RedToothBrush

TANKS INCOMING!

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto
New: Germany has approved delivery of 56 combat tanks to Ukraine, a German Defense Ministry spokeswoman told CNN. The tanks are from the Cold War-era East German army and had been sold to Sweden, then resold to the Czech Republic who will deliver them to Ukraine.

That is bloody brilliant news.
Verysadatwork · 01/04/2022 16:17

Yes to this!

“She said that in addition to heart problems, anabolic steroids can cause aggression, trigger psychosis - and on the plus side wink, cause someone to drop dead with a heart attack.

I look forward to Armando Ianucci's Death of Putin .

From memory not a few MNetters would see Jason Isaacs cast grin“

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 01/04/2022 16:17

I'm not pissed off with the posters here, just the narrative in general. I think people cling to it because it's a way of processing the fact that he's down right fucking evil. We don't want to admit that people like that exist. There must be a reason, bad childhood, mental health problems, steroids. We search for a resonable explaination for the unreasonable. But in doing so we somehow free the bastards of some of the responsibility for the actions. It's because they're 'sick'.

prettybird · 01/04/2022 16:24

I don't disagree with you @BringBackCoffeeCreams (love your username Wink - so true Grin). In a sense, even if he is taking steroids, that's because he was already an insecure narcissist Hmm. He's intelligent enough to know (and accept) the potential side effects. The most illuminating story is the one he tells himself about the cornered rat going for the throat. He has modelled himself on that. For him, the added aggression from steroid ab use is a positive side effect, not a negative one Sad

And I bet he has a tiny willy Wink