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“Getting ANY adult dog breed is strongly NOT recommended”

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tallulahtoo78 · 22/03/2022 09:51

From a dog expert interview on LBC discussing the utterly awful, tragic death of the 17 month old little girl.

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Flapjacker48 · 22/03/2022 16:52

Bull breeds should be banned.

GrandRapids · 22/03/2022 16:53

@Whyamiwastingtime

I have a cute little beagle from a puppy. I wouldn’t leave her alone with kids. You can poke her, grab her tail and lie on her and even take her food. BUT she will bite you if you startle her awake , and I don’t trust other kids around her because she is a dog !

and why have you allowed her to be poked, lay on etc? No wonder she reacts badly when startled!

Bearfrills · 22/03/2022 16:53

what more do you need to know ? They brought a dog into their home and allowed it to be close enough to their toddler for it to kill.

Oh well, there we go. Case closed. Guess the police can stop their investigation now as some random poster on MN has already established all of the facts relating to the incident Hmm

Agrudge · 22/03/2022 16:56

@Flapjacker48

Bull breeds should be banned.
Erm nope.

Theres no reason to

Somanymistakes · 22/03/2022 16:57

This is why I got a puppy and was very honest about my kids (ND) and what they were like when I spoke to the breeder. She chose the puppy for me based on his temperament. He's been amazing with them.

Unfortunately a dog attack has made him reactive to GSD but at home he is placid and easy going. He's not very intelligent either - I think that helps him be a content family pet. 😁

I'd never take a rescue with kids in the house.

Agrudge · 22/03/2022 17:03

@HotnSunnyRainbowRoses

Once upon a time I’d have said it’s all the owners fault, deed not breed and all that and would have debated that point pretty ferociously.

But the fact remains that whenever there’s a death, not just an attack but an actual death, it’s always a bull breed or more rarely a GSD or a Mollosser type (Rotts, mastiffs etc)
Sorry but it is. Always.

It’s never a Labrador, a border collie, a spaniel, a poodle etc.
I don’t deny that so called ‘friendly’ breeds bite, they can and do, but you rarely, if ever, see them implicated in an actual death.

I think a lot more responsibility has to go on people rather than dogs eg irresponsible people buying adult XL bullies off gumtree when they have young children, why, just WHY?! People keeping dogs as caged guard dogs, people allowing children to harass them, rewarding aggressive behaviour because they want a protection dog etc but even taking that into account, it’s always the same breeds!

The comments about Chihuahuas, I have a chihuahua, while he probably could kill a (very) young child the ferocity involved would have to be pretty damn extreme.
Multiple, hard, tearing bites.
There’s just no comparison between your average attacking chihuahua and your average attacking huge muscular bully type dog.
The latter could kill in an adult easily let alone a child

I would disagree.

It's always the same type of owner

AlwaysLatte · 22/03/2022 17:12

Around children I would only ever have a dog which 1. Hasn't been bred as a hunting dog, 2. Whose jaws I could get off a child if I had to (the dogs who are capable of locking their jaws shut terrify me) and 3. Whose health and temperament could be vouched for by any experienced breeder. And those of their bloodline. In the future when the children are adults, I would definitely consider a rescue from a breed specific rescue organisation.
I think too that some sort of certificate to prove you have completed a course in basic dog care, including dogs' body language, their needs including those to prevent boredom etc should be mandatory.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/03/2022 17:13

@tallulahtoo78

From a dog expert interview on LBC discussing the utterly awful, tragic death of the 17 month old little girl.
If this is true, then what happens to all the adult dogs in rescues? Should they all be put down?

We have a rescue dog now, and have had another rescue dog in the past, and have had no problems with them - they have settled in well with us, socialise well with other dogs in the village, and have enriched our lives.

Of course taking on a rescue dog can be a challenge, but there are many people who do take them on successfully and with no risk to other people. I have a friend who has rehired a dog who was used as a bait dog in fighting, and he is now a happy, secure and much loved pet. My friend took the time to help him with his issues, and knows his limitations - she wouldn’t ever leave him alone with a child, for example - but surely it is better that he has a loving home than that he be put down?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/03/2022 17:18

@ScreamingSauvignon

And children need to learn how to behave around dogs, too

Just one line of many on here that makes my eye roll.

In fact this site should be renamed Dogsnet.

My way personally would be to get rid of most dogs. Stinking, noisy, dangerous and pointless.

Yet another young child dead because of the human obsession to own these things.

Why shouldn't kids have to learn to behave around dogs? Around any animal for that matter? What gives some kid the right to do what it wants around animals?
Agrudge · 22/03/2022 17:19

@AlwaysLatte

Around children I would only ever have a dog which 1. Hasn't been bred as a hunting dog, 2. Whose jaws I could get off a child if I had to (the dogs who are capable of locking their jaws shut terrify me) and 3. Whose health and temperament could be vouched for by any experienced breeder. And those of their bloodline. In the future when the children are adults, I would definitely consider a rescue from a breed specific rescue organisation. I think too that some sort of certificate to prove you have completed a course in basic dog care, including dogs' body language, their needs including those to prevent boredom etc should be mandatory.
You would never be able to police who has had training and who hasn't

And the same irresponsible owners would still have dogs with out doing any training

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/03/2022 17:21

the dogs who are capable of locking their jaws shut terrify me

No dog is capable of locking its jaws shut, that's a myth. Some dogs just have stronger jaw muscles than others.

Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere · 22/03/2022 17:31

Still no answer as to what's the point of breeding XL bullies.

Ylvamoon · 22/03/2022 17:32

Yes, childrendoneed to learn how to behave around dogs

I agree, the number of times children pat ot touch my dogs in passing is unbelievable. This often happens when dogs are on the lead, walking nicely to heel. Luckily the dogs are used to children & very busy places. I can even see the attraction with the long, flowing soft coat.
But children should know not to touch them regardless!

Chimbolla · 22/03/2022 17:32

@Goldbar

This will probably be controversial but I strongly believe that dogs should not be brought into households with children younger than 7 or 8 (fair enough if the dog was there beforehand and the parents can manage the risks). I don't understand why anyone chooses to have dogs around young children. We'd love a dog but will be waiting until our DC are older and less at risk (and can behave responsibility around a dog).
But would that even be enough.. Jack Lis was 10 when he was killed by an XLBully last year. A 10 year old boy 😢 that would have been horrifically long and drawn out. I'm an avid dog lover but I wish all of these types dogs could be got rid of and anything that looks like them as they're only ever owned by the same type of trashy person. Sorry but it is true.
MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2022 17:35

@Ylvamoon

Yes, childrendoneed to learn how to behave around dogs

I agree, the number of times children pat ot touch my dogs in passing is unbelievable. This often happens when dogs are on the lead, walking nicely to heel. Luckily the dogs are used to children & very busy places. I can even see the attraction with the long, flowing soft coat.
But children should know not to touch them regardless!

I’m sure this happens but I find the opposite

More likely for dogs to approach dc with the they’re friendly line

We don’t have dogs but have taken other people’s to get dc used to them. But still it’s more likely dogs will bound over to them than vice versa with the stroking etc

Agrudge · 22/03/2022 17:39

@Nobodycarestakeitelsewhere

Still no answer as to what's the point of breeding XL bullies.
I did

Some people just like the look of them

Agrudge · 22/03/2022 17:43

@Chimbolla

It's not only "trashy" people. you sound like a snob,
Staffys are great dogs with the right owners

There's alot of dim people on here with narrow minded views

Chimbolla · 22/03/2022 17:45

I think 'dim' can be reserved for the single celled idiots breeding hundreds of massive headed dogs purely with aesthetics (and wads of cash) in mind. I hear it's more lucrative than drug dealing...

Agrudge · 22/03/2022 17:51

@Chimbolla

I think 'dim' can be reserved for the single celled idiots breeding hundreds of massive headed dogs purely with aesthetics (and wads of cash) in mind. I hear it's more lucrative than drug dealing...
I agree .

French bull dog pups have heads that are often too big and need to delivered through c section.

Clearly that's not natural.

DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 17:52

Round my way it is. You could play spot the owner on a walk to the local park and get it right every time.

DysonSphere · 22/03/2022 17:52

That is to @agrudge

Agrudge · 22/03/2022 18:00

@DysonSphere

That is to *@agrudge*
Same around my way . Well 85% of staffy owners probably.

But I know it's not only "trashy" people that own them.
.theres plenty of decent respectable owners out there . They dont make the headlines because they are well trained and dont have any issues with them.

Which confirms what I say when i say it's the owners

runforyourdog · 22/03/2022 18:12

I just knew that it would be some sort of bull breed. I'm not saying they are bad dogs but they are so powerful and they are bred to fight and kill! I don't know why people say 'it could be any breed' when actually it very rarely is! I agree that any dog could bite but the vast majority would not kill.

I got my dog as a puppy but there is just no way he would kill a toddler he just simply does not have that instinct or aggression in him. He's bred to pick up birds softly. It really does make all the difference IMO.

BurgerKingAddict · 22/03/2022 18:13

Don’t judge all families with Staffordshire’s and don’t judge all Staffordshires. Most Staffordshire owners love their dogs and are careful, responsible owners.
Owning a dog is a huge responsibility, owning a rehomed dog even more so.
They aren’t a banned breed and aren’t like a banned breed other than they might have a few similar facial characteristics. It’s really not the same!
I am very sorry for the family. It’s a tragedy.

BurgerKingAddict · 22/03/2022 18:14

@runforyourdog it’s been many, many decades since they were bred for fighting.