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P&O Ferries - major announcement today. All ships in port

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cakeorwine · 17/03/2022 10:40

Gosh. I wonder what's going on

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60779001

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Atourwitsend · 24/03/2022 12:50

He did look very uncomfortable when pressed on this question

SinisterBumFacedCat · 24/03/2022 14:09

Apparently the agency stafffare getting paid as little as £1.80 an hour. Where does someone living on £1.80 an hour actually live? How do they eat, let alone pay rent and bills?

whytcvv · 24/03/2022 14:13

@SinisterBumFacedCat

Apparently the agency stafffare getting paid as little as £1.80 an hour. Where does someone living on £1.80 an hour actually live? How do they eat, let alone pay rent and bills?
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QuebecBagnet · 24/03/2022 16:52

@SinisterBumFacedCat

Apparently the agency stafffare getting paid as little as £1.80 an hour. Where does someone living on £1.80 an hour actually live? How do they eat, let alone pay rent and bills?
I think they have cabins on the ferries and live there pretty much permanently. Horrible conditions and smacks almost of modern slavery.
BertieBotts · 24/03/2022 21:05

In many countries the cost of living really is that low, obviously standards are not the same as somewhere like the UK. But the cost of things is not the same either. For instance when the petrol prices went up recently in Europe there was a thread on the Reddit r/Europe sub asking people how much theirs cost and in places like Poland, Czech Republic etc it was only at about €1, but that was a lot for them as they normally pay 50-60 cents per litre. Rent and electricity and such will be lower because people's incomes are lower and that affects market forces.

A couple of tools if you're interested in this
www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

www.gapminder.org/dollar-street

£1.80 per hour would be somewhere between $400-600 per month depending on how many hours are worked, if you want to put that figure in on dollar street to see what that gets you in various countries.

prh47bridge · 24/03/2022 23:59

FWIW, P&O dispute the £1.80/hour figure. I have no idea who is telling the truth.

BambinaJAS · 25/03/2022 00:23

@prh47bridge

FWIW, P&O dispute the £1.80/hour figure. I have no idea who is telling the truth.
I think you need to be very, very careful about being biased towards P&O.

They clearly broke the law. The rest is just spin.

BertieBotts · 25/03/2022 06:35

If they are agency staff probably what they mean is they pay the agency more than that, but the agency is passing on 1.80 per hour.

meditrina · 25/03/2022 06:41

prh47 isn't being biased

They're pointing out what is demonstrable as fact and what is currently disputed. I haven't spotted any inaccuracies in any of their posts.

It's is entirely correct to point out that, regardless of other admissions about breaking the law in other matters, what points are yet to be determined.

It's not saying the £1.80 figure is either right or wrong, simply that the accuracy of the claim is in dispute and has yet to be determined either way.

prh47bridge · 25/03/2022 08:54

@BambinaJAS - Yes, as I have said up thread, P&O have broken the law. They failed to consult with staff as required by law. As I said in my post before the one on which you are commenting, their stated reason for not doing so is irrelevant. Staff can take action against P&O over the failure to consult and, if successful, would be awarded up to 90 days pay. However, if reports that they are being given well above the legal minimum in redundancy payments are correct, the ET may take the view that they have already been adequately compensated.

I have also said a few times that they may have broken the law on informing the government prior to large scale redundancies. We still don't know whether they have or not. They say they have not but, at the moment, we don't know for sure one way or the other. That depends on how many of the sacked staff were employed on UK-registered ships. I am also aware of a suggestion that, even if they haven't broken UK law on this, they may have broken the law in some of the countries where their ships are registered. Again, we don't yet know if this is true.

I have condemned P&O's behaviour several times on this thread as well.

In the post you highlight, I am simply pointing out that P&O dispute the £1.80/hour claim made by the unions and say they are actually paying £5.50-£6/hour. That is not taking sides, simply pointing out that we don't know how much the new staff are being paid. It may be £1.80/hour, it may be £6/hour, it may be somewhere between those figures. I state clearly that we don't know who is right about the rates for staff.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 26/03/2022 09:06

£6 is still £3.18 short of the national minimum wage, as of April 2022.

P&O has now become shorthand for an untrustworthy employer with Dickensian working standards in just a week. Worth it?

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