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Russia puts its nuclear deterrent on high alert

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Libertybear80 · 27/02/2022 14:04

Does anyone know what that actually means? Is he threatening nuclear war?

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Cats345 · 27/02/2022 23:05

@HPmagic

What would happen if Putin set off a Nuke for the UK. What do we have in place to stop it
Nothing, we just end up nukeing them back. This is so frightening and I am sick to the stomach with it.
IsabelHerna · 27/02/2022 23:05

terrifying !!

SonicBroom · 27/02/2022 23:11

I don't think they'd destroy the U.K. since they own most of London, along with the Saudis

I was wondering the same but there’s no way of making sense of it all

Whattochoosenow · 27/02/2022 23:14

I guess it depends how crazy Putin is…

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 27/02/2022 23:21

I wasn't going to have wine tonight, but sod it.

Chocolattay · 28/02/2022 00:12

Watching this unfold I legitimately regret having my baby who is asleep next me.

FatFredsFriedEgg · 28/02/2022 00:14

I don't think they'd destroy the U.K. since they own most of London, along with the Saudis.

Yes, I believe that German pilots in 1942 were given strict instructions not to bomb property owned by Germans.

Arse.

justasking111 · 28/02/2022 00:18

@Chocolattay

Watching this unfold I legitimately regret having my baby who is asleep next me.
I went through this in the eighties plus aids and mad cow disease with my babies.

THIS TOO WILL PASS

boyblue · 28/02/2022 00:24

It's scaring me lots

OhLordyWhatNow · 28/02/2022 00:27

The rate Putin is going there'll be an orderly queue outside the Kremlin of hired assassins from around the entire world equipped with various weapons of choice.

Cup of arsenic laced tea with a pufferfish sandwich would be a good start. Followed by dessert of Venezuelan poison dart frog soufflé.

OhLordyWhatNow · 28/02/2022 00:33

To everyone who is worried please try to stay calm it's all bluff and bluster and propaganda on Putin's part. If you are in the UK you are safe. Hug your loved ones and feel thankful for all we have; we are truly fortunate.

Thanks
hadtoomanymincepies · 28/02/2022 01:13

@FatFredsFriedEgg

I don't think they'd destroy the U.K. since they own most of London, along with the Saudis.

Yes, I believe that German pilots in 1942 were given strict instructions not to bomb property owned by Germans.

Arse.

Ridiculous

He's desperate to own Ukraine and he's happy to blow that to smithereens.

Chocolattay · 28/02/2022 01:27

Nuclear is the absolute last resort. If Putin decides to nuke then he is long last caring about property in London

Chocolattay · 28/02/2022 01:28

*long past ffs

Ciaram55 · 28/02/2022 01:28

It makes you wonder what he thinks the end game is. He can't seriously want to go to war with Nato. He knows there'd be no winners. Surely you don't plan a nuclear war like you would a conventional one. It doesn't make sense.

Chocaholic9 · 28/02/2022 01:45

@BananaPlants

He is being humiliated. Narcissist rage won’t help make sensible choices.
This is my fear also.
Chocolattay · 28/02/2022 01:59

It’s literally a temper tantrum of massive proportions, and a fucking dangerous one. There have been cases of men shooting all of their wives and kids dead during a domestic argument in the heat of the moment. This could be Putin with nukes. A case of “If I don’t get my way, everybody can just fucking die.”

1Week · 28/02/2022 02:02

That may be so, but he's not like an abusive husband who can terrify a household on his own.
He can't just press a button on his own - there will be layers of generals with their own codes, a protocol.
If it looks likely to some of them, they’ll have a case of money, and an escape plan for their families and they'll put a bullet in him.

Don't forget also, this is a propaganda war. He'll have said that for propaganda purposes. What we know about how the war is going, comes from Ukrainian or pro Ukrainian sources, so not the entire truth either.

Lanascz · 28/02/2022 02:48

I'm not on board with the 'willy waving' type comments. To be reductive about his intentions/intellect is to ignore his background, ambitions and worldview. He's in a precarious position right now, but I would never underestimate him. Putin is usually a few steps ahead: he has survived this long due to - in part - a profound instinct for strategizing and knowing his enemy.

I have no idea if he is ill. I haven't seen anything to persuade me. I think it's wishful thinking, tbh.

Putin is ambitious and calmly brutal. Cut him, and he bleeds Russia and Russia's rightful place in the world. He's monstrous, has a razor-sharp intellect, and is not adverse to brinkmanship.

Dangerous times.

Chocaholic9 · 28/02/2022 04:11

@RedToothBrush

Modern warfare isn't just about the battle field and weapons. Its never been - propaganda has always matters, but its mattered more and more since Vietnam and war reporting being constant do to the rise of mass media. In this sense, wars don't happen in far away places like they used to and governments have to manage their home front and their war front well.

Since Putin started the invasion things haven't gone well for Putin on the Propaganda War.

His pretext to war was that Russia needed to go to war because there was a threat to Russians in the disputed regions of Ukraine. He started a panic, and told people to evacuate because they were at risk. These pictures were broadcast back to Russia. The Russian parliament were asked to vote to recognise these regions - the suggestion being that this would maybe bring peace. Of course, since Putin was intending to invade this was a pile of rot. But none the less many Russians (including at least two Duma MPs who have since publicly said they feel misled) believed this to be true.

What Putin really underestimated was quite how good the Ukranian propaganda and communication would be. The Ukranian President didn't buckle and run away from the intimidation of the invasion. He stayed and has unifyed his people and managed to rally support around him. The resistance on the ground produced a lot of images which don't look good for Putin.

Instead of there being a resounding swift victory, there were images of broken down tanks and rather inept Russian soliders. This makes Putin as a military leader look weak.

His next response has been to shut down twitter, facebook and youtube in Russia. This isn't what many expected. There was a fear that instead Western social media would be filled with gloating Russians saying how strong they were and how the West were to blame etc etc. And this would scare the West and deter them from getting involved because their voters didn't want to get involved in a war far away from home.

Instead, the images have horrified the world and the Ukranian President has inspired strength and support.

Remember the war was about regaining Putin in particular an image of being in control and being strong - covid has been a blow to Russia and there have been increasing rumblings about Putin himself with small, but growing protests at his rule. He had felt as if Russia had been slighted and wasn't respected and he had an agenda about rebuilding the glory of the Soviet Sphere of influence under the Russian Flag.

So he's been a bit pissed at how things have gone before and he's facing growing questions about his leadership. The decision over SWIFT and sanctions have gone further than pretty much in the west thought possible, so it's very likely to have caught Putin off guard too. He hadn't planned for the eventuality.

Tomorrow its likely there will be a big run on the Russian banks as it kicks in and Russians suddenly realise this isn't a 'special operation' (the word war has been banned) and its not far away and is going to effect them badly. The war has been brought to their door so now Putin has to justify it.

So the address about nukes:

There are two audiences here - the Russian domestic audience and the International one.

Putin has two key things he needs to get across - a position of strength to counter the damage to his strongman reputation thats occurred and to try and fracture the western alliance and support for Ukraine via threats and intimidation.

He wants to frighten and concern western public - in order to try and get them to undermine support from their governments for supporting Ukraine. Talking about nukes is frightening. Its supposed to be. Its supposed to be fucking with your head. Its supposed to make you doubt that your country is doing the right thing. It does not mean he is definitely planning to use them. Its from a position of weakness in his military plans and his propaganda war so far. He's trying to control of the narrative back.

He also has to double down on the 'moral cause' of the pretext to the war. He has to play the victim, at risk from the West's aggression to justify the war, which is going to bring home a lot more body bags than he had imagined. Like Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam for the Americans, body bags going home upset normal Russians. He needs them to feel that they have no choice but to fight or support the war. So what better way to suggest you are being threatened than to ready the defensive nuclear units? Why would you do this if there's no threat? He's trying to rally his people in part to stave off the anger that the banking crisis will bring. Again this is coming from a position of weakness.

My point here is this isn't necessarily anything to do with an actual military threat of nukes.

This is probably more about the propaganda war and Putin's need for crisis management following the last few days of things not going as well as hoped and the danger of him being percieved as weak. Its the classic go on the offensive approach.

If you remember from the Iraq War and 'Comical Ali' as he became dubbed, this isn't necessarily dissimilar. Comical Ali went on TV saying there were no tanks near Baghdad to try and retain control of a rapidly degenerating situation, even as US forces were already within the city limits.

Dictators always must maintain the facade of control and being strong otherwise, they personally, are at risk of losing power.

This moment is a real moment of threat to Putin.

It is potentially a moment of great risk to Europe so we shouldn't automatically dismiss it, but we should certainly put it into clear context: this is a boss who has had a bad week and so is taking it out on his staff and blaming others inside and outside the company for his own fuckups. Whether he decides he ultimately want to liquidate the company just out of frustration and spite is a much bigger step to take and really not as likely.

He's trying to fuck with your head. Understand he's trying to manipulate and scare you.

Great post.
Monday55 · 28/02/2022 05:17

A week ago the general population didn't think he would invade and yet here we are... are we going to sit back and have the same thoughts again? He has proven he's unpredictable and quiet frankly he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who likes losing, so he'd rather take everyone down with him.

NATO has more to lose than russia, if it comes down to nuclear war, russia can detonate all their 1000s of war heads towards all the nato countries.. chances are maybe 10 countries will get hit out of the 30 countries. NATO are only destroying one country as thats what they're fighting against and russia will be destroying a lot more than one as they have more than 1 target.

Keepyourheadscrewedon · 28/02/2022 05:55

Monday by choosing that action Putin would annihilate his own country within minutes. I am not sure he would choose that, and even if he did his chief commander at least and those around him are unlikely to follow through whatever they are personally threatened with.

This has been a long time coming, this moment did not arise out of nowhere. The appeasement to Russia has been going on for far too long and now he has the impression he can threaten and bully the entire world into agreeing to his terms, whatever they may be, with nuclear threats - we can not cower and hope if we stay very quiet he will go away. We now have a depraved and increasingly desperate despot that is apparently willing to put the whole world at risk. Whether it is bluster or not, we can't possibly know, but it is an act of desperation on his part regardless and tells us everything we need to know about Russia's position.
He thinks if scares the world with nuclear war we will give up on Ukraine, see it as a price worth paying as long as he does not follow through, it is brinkmanship of the worst kind - regardless of whether he would actually follow through or not.He is trying to sever our commitment to support Ukraine by effectively holding a gun to our head.

Greater minds than mine will be considering the solutions carefully, from my own perspective it is not clear to me where he goes from here, but my thoughts are that the west must very carefully plan an exit for him that allows him to save face and his dignity - to retain an illusion of strength and success, and try and deescalate the immediate situation, and consider how we can try and move forward - whilst respecting Ukraine's right to exist and prosper - there may be room for a compromise there in the talks. With an agreement on borders and neutrality.
Short term that could be an option. The longer term outlook of having an unstable Russia that will be declining and unravelling at a rate of knots, with a man that appears to have lost his grip will be a separate issue, and the bigger problem out of the two in my view.

HelpMeHiveMind · 28/02/2022 06:42

@Monday55 this is exactly my fear too. If we were ALL gone, who exactly would retaliate?

HelpMeHiveMind · 28/02/2022 06:43

Also, in the BBC article published overnight "Would Putin hit the nuclear button", they talk about the more likely scenario of him detonating a nuke in the sea between Britain and Denmark. Why there and what would be the impact of that?