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Old sayings and how they came about

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Snooks1971 · 12/02/2022 20:28

Yes I could Google but where’s the fun in that?!

Red rag to a bull….. also I grew up (rurally) knowing never to wear red knickers whilst in a field with a bull Confused what a bizarre piece of information to give to a child.

Anyone shed any light? And add your sayings and whys/wherefores too please 😊

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BashfulClam · 12/02/2022 20:32

They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken & Sold to the tannery.......if you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor"
But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot......they "didn't have a pot to piss in" & were the lowest of the low. The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June.. However, since they were starting to smell . ...... . Brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting Married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the Bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof... Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would Sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial.. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a wake.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive... So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.

ShowOfHands · 12/02/2022 20:37

The waving of a red rag irritates many animals historically and its association with bulls likely comes from matadors I suppose.

Bulls can't differentiate colours though. It's the movement of the cape/rag which pisses them off. They aren't angry about red knickers op!

Snooks1971 · 12/02/2022 20:37

@BashfulClam brilliant thank you!

I have heard of ‘saved by the bell’

Fascinating.

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Snooks1971 · 12/02/2022 20:40

@ShowOfHands ah yes that makes sense. So the red was just for show then, ok.

Maybe we were told this so we didn’t ever wear ‘racy’ red knickers and didn’t show them in a field

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Hellsinky · 12/02/2022 20:45

The Romans used to wipe their bums with sponge on a stick, hence the phrase 'wrong end of the stick'

Junk mail can be called bumf, short for bum fodder - scraps of paper used for wiping your bum before toilet paper was invented!

Bonnie90x · 12/02/2022 20:47

In the era of The Black Death people believed that the disease was airborne.So called 'Doctors' would wear pointed masks filled with dried flowers or herbs to protect themselves. Since these masks were shaped like a break they were known as 'Quacks', hence, doctors colloquially referred to now as quacks.

TerrifiedandWorried · 12/02/2022 20:50

Saved by the Bell is actually a boxing phrase, nothing to do with the above. Also dead ringer is not to do with that.

ButtockUp · 12/02/2022 20:58

Beak-like plague masks weren't known to be worn in England. Not sure about other UK countries though.

countdowntonap · 12/02/2022 21:03

@BashfulClam
Really interesting! Thank you

danni0509 · 12/02/2022 21:03

@BashfulClam I enjoyed reading them! Grin

HerRoyalHappiness · 12/02/2022 21:15

Placemarking

Icantremembermyusername · 12/02/2022 21:24

Loving this thread! Nothing useful to add, lol!

HunterHearstHelmsley · 12/02/2022 21:37

Bite the bullet

When there was a shortage of anaesthetia during battle, soldiers would literally bite bullet to distract from the pain.

HunterHearstHelmsley · 12/02/2022 21:38

@HunterHearstHelmsley

Bite the bullet

When there was a shortage of anaesthetia during battle, soldiers would literally bite bullet to distract from the pain.

When being treated by a medic. Not just for fun.
HunterHearstHelmsley · 12/02/2022 21:39

Mad as a hatter

Some French hat makers used to use mercury for hat felt. Those suffering the effects of the poison were considered mad

Itsmeandhim · 12/02/2022 21:51

Room to swing a cat.
The CAT was actually a whip. Corporal punishment was usually carried out in a cabin on a ship.
Hense no room to swing a cat.

MrsJackRackham · 12/02/2022 21:57

Canon balls on war ships were stacked pyramid style on a lipped tray called a monkey. The balls were made of lead and the tray made of brass. When it got cold the brass contracted and the balls would fall off. Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey.

MrsJackRackham · 12/02/2022 22:05

During medieval times a great hall would close its doors at nightfall to protect against predators and attacks. If you weren't in you were locked out. Once closed the fire pit in the middle of the room would be covered. Curfew comes from old French, cuevrefeu, from cuvrir ‘to cover’ + feu ‘fire’

PuppyMonkey · 12/02/2022 22:07

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive... So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.

Grin
WorkHardPlayHard1 · 12/02/2022 22:19

@BashfulClam

They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken & Sold to the tannery.......if you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor" But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot......they "didn't have a pot to piss in" & were the lowest of the low. The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June.. However, since they were starting to smell . ...... . Brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting Married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the Bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof... Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would Sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial.. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a wake.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive... So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.

That was absolutely fascinating! Thank you xx
Rummikub · 12/02/2022 22:35

@BashfulClam
My word these are amazing! I’ve read them open mouthed!

Some very disturbing though.

Rummikub · 12/02/2022 22:35

Oh are they not true??

OnlyAFleshWound · 12/02/2022 22:41

@Rummikub

Oh are they not true??
I haven't checked the whole thread but that one very long post is pretty much the text of a viral email from a while ago and yes, they're all nonsense.

The real origins are usually more obscure and less 'neat'.

The 'mad hatter'/mercury poisoning one is true though
www.history.com/news/where-did-the-phrase-mad-as-a-hatter-come-from

Rummikub · 12/02/2022 22:43

That’s interesting!
Thank you

Shame not true I liked them😬