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Old sayings and how they came about

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Snooks1971 · 12/02/2022 20:28

Yes I could Google but where’s the fun in that?!

Red rag to a bull….. also I grew up (rurally) knowing never to wear red knickers whilst in a field with a bull Confused what a bizarre piece of information to give to a child.

Anyone shed any light? And add your sayings and whys/wherefores too please 😊

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sashh · 13/02/2022 08:37

All my grand parents spent some time working in woolen mills.

Shoddy is a type of thread made from rags, it is then mixed with wool to make a cheaper cloth, the more shoddy the less the quality.

There are still people around who can feel a woolen cloth and estimate the amount of shoddy.

DryOldCaper · 13/02/2022 08:38

@BashfulClam

They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken & Sold to the tannery.......if you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor" But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot......they "didn't have a pot to piss in" & were the lowest of the low. The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June.. However, since they were starting to smell . ...... . Brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting Married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the Bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof... Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would Sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial.. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a wake.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive... So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.

This entire content, pretty much word-for-word, did the rounds on Facebook a couple of years ago.

You might want to credit the source, rather than pass it off as your own. Wink

DryOldCaper · 13/02/2022 08:42

They used to use urine to tan animal skins…

iwanttobeonleave · 13/02/2022 08:44

@TerrifiedandWorried

Saved by the Bell is actually a boxing phrase, nothing to do with the above. Also dead ringer is not to do with that.
I was going to say the other explanation was a little far fetched!
Smudgeis13 · 13/02/2022 08:45

When people were taxed on the number of windows, many windows were bricked up. Protesters argued that this was daylight robbery.

On the way to the gallows, the cart was stopped at drinking places so that the person could be taken in and had one for the road. The driver didn’t have a drink because he was on the wagon.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 13/02/2022 08:54

I’m not sure why posters are trying to debunk theories with random links which may or may not be true. A lot of our sayings have archaic words and use of English, they must have originated from something common at some time, a world away from our modern life.

My two pennith (anyone know that one’s origins?)

The use of ‘Close’ in a street name originates from streets having gates at either end and ‘closed’ at night to keep the residents safe from vagabonds and criminals. We were told this on a tour in Edinburgh.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 13/02/2022 08:57

I heard those as well Smudge, and also that some of the poor condemned on their way to the gallows wouldn’t drink alcohol for religious reasons and they would stay “on the wagon” too.

SpongebobsPants · 13/02/2022 08:58

I like the bumf (bum fodder) one upthread! Anything involving arses - I'm very childishGrin

Hellsinky · 13/02/2022 11:13

@SpongebobsPants

I like the bumf (bum fodder) one upthread! Anything involving arses - I'm very childishGrin
That was me, I'm pretty sure it was in a Lucy Worsley documentary. If you've not watched any of her documentaries, you should! She's definitely got a sense of humour!
DelorisVC · 13/02/2022 12:07

@ShowOfHands

The phrases we use are as interesting as the myths we build up around them. It's even more interesting that we can see this sort of thing happening around us in real time. How many people think that tag stands for "touch and go" or that all toasters work to minutes because it went viral on Facebook and it doesn't matter how many times you counter the assertions (see above), the neat little myths persist. It's mostly harmless but swathes of people also think we give houses to illegal immigrants and believe things people write on buses. These things will always persist.

I have quite a few books on the origin of phrases and there's disagreement across a couple of them. It's still fascinating though, even if we're not quite sure about some of the original meanings.

I also quite like reading about the different idioms used by other countries. They sound bonkers sometimes but no more bonkers than ours must sound to them.

Would you be so kind to let me know the name of these books please. I’ve got one by Susie Dent but would love more.
caranations · 13/02/2022 17:16

@dentistattic

Historically ( and less so now) as you get older, your gums recede, the bone support around your teeth gets less. Hence the phrase "Getting long in the tooth"
This comes from the equestrian world. You can tell the age of a horse by looking at it's teeth.
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