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Camilla to be Queen

470 replies

Thanksfor · 05/02/2022 22:04

I think I’m happy with this (not that’s it’s any of my business). She’s clearly made Charles very happy and has fitted into the family well.
Good for her, it’s deserved.

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boomshakalacka · 06/02/2022 13:43

If Diana had lived, Charles would be a divorcee in the eyes of the church rather than a widower. Diana dying was highly convenient to them, however you look at it. There is no way Camila would have been Queen if Diana were alive. In fact, I would seriously doubt that they would have been allowed to marry. Like his uncle, Charles would have had to choose the woman or the crown.

ClariceQuiff · 06/02/2022 13:47

If Her Majestys uncle had to abdicate in order to marry a divorcee, then being that Charles and Camilla are both divorcees, they should not be in line to the throne!

I hate to state the obvious, but society and its attitude to divorce have changed radically since 1936! Whether you agree with this or not, it's no longer regarded as a scandal or disgrace to be a divorcee.

Blossomtoes · 06/02/2022 13:49

@VodselForDinner

Does anyone know what happens if she outlived Charles?

William will become King. If Charles had still been married to Diana she’d have gone from Queen (Consort) Diana to what- The King Mother?

So what would Camilla be?

Queen Mother, just like the one who died 20 years ago.

I can’t believe all this frothing about the events of 30 years ago - do people treat remarried couples in their social circles like that? It’s like the 1950s.

Lockdownbear · 06/02/2022 13:51

@Monopolyiscrap

So if it hadn't have been Diana, it would have simply been a different naive young woman.
Pretty much, maybe others have got it more right than I have it wasn't money it was status.

Either way the families encouraged it in a way that would never have happened if he was just Charlie the sailor.

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/02/2022 15:03

@emuloc

Diana had a royal bloodline link before she married.
True. Diana was a descendant of Charles II, from two lines.
EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 15:14

William will become King. If Charles had still been married to Diana she’d have gone from Queen (Consort) Diana to what- The King Mother?

No, if someone was never Queen, they cannot be the Queen Mother, which is an alternate appellation to Dowager Queen (they can't be King Mother because they were never King either!)

In those circs, Camilla wouid probably remain HRH Duchess of Cornwall, as she would be the dowager Duchess. Even though the wife of the next Prince of Wales (which would idc be George) would be the (non-dowager) duchess, I don't think there would be any particular confusion because there wouid be no inhibition to her becoming Princess of Wales.

If Diana had lived, then I'm less sure what title she would have. As William is meant to have wanted to restore her HRH, maybe he'd go the whole hog and do the equivalent of what his grandmother did for his grandfather and issue Letters Patent that created her a Princess in her own right, and then she would correctly be HRH Princess Diana.

Youcansaythatagainandagain · 06/02/2022 15:14

@whumpthereitis

‘Well not to put too fine a point on it, Charles was fucking Camilla whilst married.

Very noble and royal indeed 🙄🤣’

Well, considering the history of the monarchy, yes. Yes it is.

Monogamy is in short supply for heirs to the throne.
Maireas · 06/02/2022 15:16

@boomshakalacka

If Diana had lived, Charles would be a divorcee in the eyes of the church rather than a widower. Diana dying was highly convenient to them, however you look at it. There is no way Camila would have been Queen if Diana were alive. In fact, I would seriously doubt that they would have been allowed to marry. Like his uncle, Charles would have had to choose the woman or the crown.
I think it was very inconvenient. It was distressing for her sons, shocking for the country, and they became targets for vitriol. It also turned Diana into something of a saint.
mixum · 06/02/2022 15:23

@ClariceQuiff

If Her Majestys uncle had to abdicate in order to marry a divorcee, then being that Charles and Camilla are both divorcees, they should not be in line to the throne!

I hate to state the obvious, but society and its attitude to divorce have changed radically since 1936! Whether you agree with this or not, it's no longer regarded as a scandal or disgrace to be a divorcee.

Well looking at the anachronism that is the Monarchy, old values should hold. Otherwise forget about all the ridiculous historical rules and regs and get rid of the bloodsucking lot of them I say!

Their behaviour and the consequences changes to suit them, and many think they are above the law. Or thought they were.....

Monopolyiscrap · 06/02/2022 15:26

They claim to follow tradition...until it suits them.

BoredZelda · 06/02/2022 15:26

The current instagram generation have no interest in these fossils I'm afraid, and few will care a jot about this no matter what their age. Cost of living will not affect Highgrove either and that sticks in many a craw.

Nonsense. The numbers polling for an elected head of state are still a minority and to say an entire generation have no interest is utter tosh.

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/02/2022 15:27

If Diana had lived, then I'm less sure what title she would have. As William is meant to have wanted to restore her HRH, maybe he'd go the whole hog and do the equivalent of what his grandmother did for his grandfather and issue Letters Patent that created her a Princess in her own right, and then she would correctly be HRH Princess Diana.

I think this is exactly what would have happened. I also think that it's possible that Charles would have done it, mainly for William and Harry.

boomshakalacka · 06/02/2022 15:28

I think it was very inconvenient.
It was distressing for her sons, shocking for the country, and they became targets for vitriol.
It also turned Diana into something of a saint*

Oh at the time, undoubtably but look at how far they've come now. The boys have accepted her apparently, the Queen has publicly stated her desire for Camilla to be Consort and the public have largely accepted her.

Maireas · 06/02/2022 15:28

Edward's abdication was about more than Wallis Simpson. The government had concerns about him and his pro Nazi stance. I'd recommend the Philip Ziegler biography. He has good source material and goes into the abdication in some depth. Wallis was only one factor.

Monopolyiscrap · 06/02/2022 15:31

@BoredZelda that is with the Queen as head of state.

Maireas · 06/02/2022 15:31

@boomshakalacka

*I think it was very inconvenient. It was distressing for her sons, shocking for the country, and they became targets for vitriol. It also turned Diana into something of a saint**

Oh at the time, undoubtably but look at how far they've come now. The boys have accepted her apparently, the Queen has publicly stated her desire for Camilla to be Consort and the public have largely accepted her.

True, but the beatification of Diana must be irksome.
Monopolyiscrap · 06/02/2022 15:39

Don't worry. They are just trying to turn Kate into a Saint instead.

Marcipex · 06/02/2022 15:39

But if he’d been just Charlie the sailor, he could have married Camilla in the first place.

WinterOfOurDiscoTent · 06/02/2022 16:09

Great news, she deserves to finally get some respect. Camilla will make a dignified Queen consort imo.

emuloc · 06/02/2022 16:33

@WinterOfOurDiscoTent

Great news, she deserves to finally get some respect. Camilla will make a dignified Queen consort imo.
Well she has the respect of the Queen, so that should be enough for her.
IcedPurple · 06/02/2022 16:37

If Diana had lived, then I'm less sure what title she would have. As William is meant to have wanted to restore her HRH, maybe he'd go the whole hog and do the equivalent of what his grandmother did for his grandfather and issue Letters Patent that created her a Princess in her own right, and then she would correctly be HRH Princess Diana.

William was a kid when he said that.

Given that after her divorce, Diana was no longer a member of the royal family, I'm not sure how she could be a HRH again. Especially if she remarried. She wouldn't even be allowed to call herself Princess of Wales then. I guess the king has a lot of latitude when it comes to such matters, but could you really have a royal highness who is not a member of the royal family?

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/02/2022 16:43

The monarch can make anyone a prince or princess of the UK and also grant the usage of a style or title.

If she were made a princess in her own right, her re-marriage would be immaterial.

mixum · 06/02/2022 16:48

@BoredZelda

The current instagram generation have no interest in these fossils I'm afraid, and few will care a jot about this no matter what their age. Cost of living will not affect Highgrove either and that sticks in many a craw.

Nonsense. The numbers polling for an elected head of state are still a minority and to say an entire generation have no interest is utter tosh.

I was not referring to an elected HOS, merely the fact that the younger generation couldn't care less about the RF, too busy on Insta.

Most don't even think about them until a new frock appears or a statement is made by one of them as part of their hard working day you know.

IcedPurple · 06/02/2022 16:48

@SenecaFallsRedux

The monarch can make anyone a prince or princess of the UK and also grant the usage of a style or title.

If she were made a princess in her own right, her re-marriage would be immaterial.

Even if he could have 'made her a princess', how could someone be Her Royal Highness if she is not royal?

And obviously we're talking hypotheticals here, but I'd say that in reality, when it came down to it, the adult William would not have taken such a highly unusual and controversial step.

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/02/2022 17:06

how could someone be Her Royal Highness if she is not royal?

The monarch can make someone royal. If the monarch bestows HRH on a person, that makes them royal.

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