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Camilla to be Queen

470 replies

Thanksfor · 05/02/2022 22:04

I think I’m happy with this (not that’s it’s any of my business). She’s clearly made Charles very happy and has fitted into the family well.
Good for her, it’s deserved.

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Lockdownbear · 06/02/2022 06:00

If he wasn't from money she would not have been interested.
If he was just Charles 12 years older, no real status, regardless of how lovely he seemed on their 7 dates they would not have got engaged so soon, nor would either family encourage it. It would have fizzle out very quickly.

DaisyChains3 · 06/02/2022 06:09

You really know nothing about that. She never struck me as someone who cared about money and prestige. She wanted love and security. Obviously she would have met men in her social circle because that’s what her life was like. Hasnat Khan was not from a wealthy background. He was the love of her life reportedly. Barry Mannakee was also from an ordinary background. If that affair did happen.

Lockdownbear · 06/02/2022 06:34

Do you think she would have got engaged to either of those men at 19, and they were 32 if they'd only met 7 times?

GrandmasCat · 06/02/2022 07:40

@mum2jakie

Lovely news. Hope people respect the clear wishes of a queen who has served for 70 years!
No, sorry, she had and has her time but things have to change going forward, unless you think hiding a paedophile under her skirt for more than two years it is actually good service?

IMO this announcement came about last night to buffer the news coming out today that Andrew is going to be in court next month.

EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 07:42

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Timing of announcement = Sunday papers.
That's happy accident - being Sunday that is.

That the actual Jubilee is today is the real reason.

And a release the evening before (whichever the day and whatever it said) so the papers can have it on their front pages, was always going to happen

EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 07:48

Charles and Camilla are as steady a couple as they come. And should have married each other in the first place

That kind of overlooks his other main mistress of the time, who was also still around during the marriage.

That there were 'three of them' is an invention from that (despicably obtained) interview. But it has stuck in the public mind and the other mistress airbrushed out.

Even Diana didn't think Camilla was the main mistress, in the Mishcon letter she names someone else (in addition to the other known one from early on)

I wonder if The Crown will include all the mistresses, or go with the Diana interview version?

Roselilly36 · 06/02/2022 07:50

It’s a difficult one, I can see why people would be upset with this decision, due to Princess Diana and the infidelity, 3 people in the marriage etc. But if the Queen has announced it, it will happen. And people will have to accept it.

Aposterhasnoname · 06/02/2022 07:52

@VodselForDinner

Does anyone know what happens if she outlived Charles?

William will become King. If Charles had still been married to Diana she’d have gone from Queen (Consort) Diana to what- The King Mother?

So what would Camilla be?

If Camilla outlives Charles, she’ll be simply Queen Camilla, or Dowager Queen. The Queen mother was given that title to avoid the confusion of having two Queen Elizabeth’s, and she detested Dowager Queen. If Diana had become Queen, however, she could have used the title Queen mother after Charles death, as it means Queen who is mother to the monarch, not mother of the queen.
Zoom101 · 06/02/2022 07:55

@blyn72

I don't care any more and Queen consort is not the same as actually being THE Queen. I do wonder what Princes William and Harry will feel about Camilla being called 'Queen' but that's something we may never know.
Oh @blyn72, I’m sure Harry will let us know exactly how he feels about it next time he appears on Oprah or in a book! 😆
JudgeRindersMinder · 06/02/2022 07:58

@Pyriah

Disgusting. I would vote for a republic long before I accept Camilla as Queen of England.
Just as well she’ll be queen of the UK and not just England then
Pedallleur · 06/02/2022 08:04

Title will be Queen Consort. It's just a title. We won't be talking to her and she gets all the benefits of being the Kings wife

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 06/02/2022 08:05

If Camilla outlives Charles, she’ll be simply Queen Camilla, or Dowager Queen. The Queen mother was given that title to avoid the confusion of having two Queen Elizabeth’s, and she detested Dowager Queen. If Diana had become Queen, however, she could have used the title Queen mother after Charles death, as it means Queen who is mother to the monarch, not mother of the queen

Not necessarily. The Queen Mother was the biological mother of the Queen. When Charles dies, and William ascends, he will have no living parents. She, as his step mother, will have no blood links to the King or any of the direct line to the throne.

I'd imagine it will need thinking about by someone.

EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 08:07

Just as well she’ll be queen of the UK and not just England then

And 14 other nations

Aposterhasnoname · 06/02/2022 08:10

Not necessarily. The Queen Mother was the biological mother of the Queen. When Charles dies, and William ascends, he will have no living parents. She, as his step mother, will have no blood links to the King or any of the direct line to the throne.

I'd imagine it will need thinking about by someone.

Camilla’s relationship with William is irrelevant. As long as Charles becomes King, and Camilla Queen, she will be Queen Camilla after Charles death.

EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 08:14

Not necessarily. The Queen Mother was the biological mother of the Queen. When Charles dies, and William ascends, he will have no living parents. She, as his step mother, will have no blood links to the King or any of the direct line to the throne

I'd imagine it will need thinking about by someone

Not really. As she will not be succeeded by someone called Camilla (unless William has an untimely death and George has married a Camilla!) there will not be two Queen Camillas at the same time and no new style is needed. Dowager queens are referred to in the same way as they were as consort. Unless followed by a queen of the same first name.

Lockdownbear · 06/02/2022 08:25

When HMQ was crowned her Granny Queen Mary? I think her name was, was still alive, she was just known as that, not ever officially the Kings Mother.

Was the Queen Mother not officially HRH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 06/02/2022 08:28

My post wasn't in relation to the title Queen Mother - more just Queen.

Historically the widow Queen is the parent of the new monarch. This one be the case this time. Is it the first time?

EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 08:31

Point of detail: Queens, whether regnant, regent or consort, are HM not HRH

When HMQ was crowned her Granny Queen Mary? I think her name was, was still alive, she was just known as that, not ever officially the Kings Mother

No-one had ever been known as 'King Mother' because they are not and have never been King (if they were king they wouid still be reigning)

Queen Mother is simply an alternative term for dowager queen, and distinguishes the widowed queen from the new queen who has the same first name

Lockdownbear · 06/02/2022 08:33

Historically the widow Queen is the parent of the new monarch. This one be the case this time. Is it the first time?

Who succeeded Henry the 8th? The man of many wives. I'd assume if he had children they would be to one of his first wives, who would have succeeded him 🤔 was his last wife still alive when he died?

EdithWeston · 06/02/2022 08:37

Historically the widow Queen is the parent of the new monarch. This one be the case this time. Is it the first time?

No - Queen Catherine (Parr) was not mother to Edward VI.

She remarried, and therefore lost the style of Queen in 1547

(I expect Seneca will come up with more examples!)

Weclome · 06/02/2022 08:44

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

Also she will be Queen of more than England !

It's only people in England who give a shit.

This is absolutely not true. I live in Scotland and give a shit
PinkTonic · 06/02/2022 08:47

@VodselForDinner

Does anyone know what happens if she outlived Charles?

William will become King. If Charles had still been married to Diana she’d have gone from Queen (Consort) Diana to what- The King Mother?

So what would Camilla be?

She remains Queen Camilla. When our Queen ascended the throne her mother was Queen Elizabeth and her grandmother was Queen Mary. They only came up with the Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother thing because there were two Elizabeths and I think she didn’t want to be known as the dowager Queen.
MyOhMySimon · 06/02/2022 08:52

In the grand scheme of things, this is neutral/good news (couldn't care less) compared to the shitshow going on in the RF. I've no time for them but surely Camilla being Queen consort is only normal, especially at this point.

We have chronic baby daddy, adulterer and serial cheater (among other qualities) BJ as PM, yet Camilla having a title and assuming a dress up role beside her husband of many years is a problem? Nah, who cares. It's not as if their
family are all virtuous people who've never cheated or worse.

Get rid of the lot of them, yes but if they're staying, she's "earned" her role.

BalloonSlayer · 06/02/2022 08:55

When Charles and Camella got married it was announced that she would not be styled Queen when the time came, which a lot of people interpreted as meaning she wouldn't BE Queen.

This is incorrect: the wife of the King is the Queen and that's that. Unless a morganatic marriage occurs, which it did not.

She would always have been the Queen in title, The Queen is just smoothing the path for her to be styled as Queen, as a loving mother/mother-in-law.

coraka · 06/02/2022 09:17

Well they treated Diana abominably, but they were both equally guilty of that. If he still gets to be called King, I don't know...

The current Prime Minister's wife is also the OW and she gets to accompany him on Presidential visits etc.

His sons might find it painful and disrespectful. I wonder if it would still have been proposed if Diana had still been alive?