Page 8 | Jimmy Carr Holocaust ‘joke’

PurpleParrotfish · 2022-02-04T17:46:16+00:00

Just seen this on Twitter. '”No one ever wants to talk about the thousands of Gypsies killed by the Nazis, because no one wants to talk about the positives” [[https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1489586961656516608?s=21]] That would be the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Romany and Gypsies in death camps, maybe up to 1.5 million. Fucking hilarious.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 07/02/2022 19:07

@ancientgran ahh but I don't want to completely cancel those that I don't like. I also don't think they should be prevented from having the opinion that they find it offensive. What offends me is the fact that some people think they get to decide what others are allowed to see and hear.

ancientgran · 07/02/2022 19:13

I don't think anyone on here is cancelling anything are they. People are saying they find it offensive which is hardly surprising is it.

So are we OK saying it is offensive and he isn't funny?

KurtWilde · 07/02/2022 19:16

[quote wanttomarryamillionaire]@ancientgran ahh but I don't want to completely cancel those that I don't like. I also don't think they should be prevented from having the opinion that they find it offensive. What offends me is the fact that some people think they get to decide what others are allowed to see and hear.[/quote]
It's fine to want and have freedom of speech, I'm all for it. The difference is you want it without consequences and that's not how it works. And if you have an opinion that's universally seen as fucking awful then you should accept the consequences of having it instead of whingeing about it.

Blackberrycream · 07/02/2022 19:18

It’s irony.
The opposite point to the one you’re stating. Nobody wants to talk about the positives is making the point that it hasn’t been seen as such a negative as deserving attention.
If you don’t like the way he makes the point, don’t watch.

KurtWilde · 07/02/2022 19:20

I find it quite funny that people are offended by a random opinion on the internet and not offended by an openly racist 'joke'. That says a lot about someone's moral code.

So if I make a racist slur but clarify it by saying omg it's just an offensive joke, is that ok then? No? Thought not.

DGRossetti · 07/02/2022 19:29

@DGRossetti Horrible that your wife was subjected to that. How would you have felt if the comedians had been making fun of her situation?

If you want to hear some jokes that make Jimmy Carr look like an advert for the Woke Society, let DW riff a few jokes at you involving some very retro words (that anyone over 50 will recognise from everyday life in the 70s ...). The only thing that really offends her is people taking offence on her behalf. It's bad enough when they treat you like a subhuman to your face anyway ("Does she take sugar" being asked over her head).

Would that have been OK if the rest of the audience were having a laugh at the disabled woman being manhandled?

No danger of that. The venue made sure that happened well out of public view ...

Would that have been OK if other people thought it was funny?

OK with who ? Me ? DW ? Archbishop Makarios ?

Maybe the comedians wouldn't really be making fun of your wife, maybe they would be sending a message to the management.

Depends which comedians. I think Rosie Jones would have struggled to get in too ....

HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 07/02/2022 19:30

@OhWhyNot

Then where do we draw the line if the joke is the punchline

Chris Rocks blatant misogyny in his act

Joan Rivers making jokes about 9/11 (or just ban her recordings)

George Carlin’s discussing why rape is funny (again banning his recordings)

Sarah Silverman jokes about rape

Russell Peters most of his show mimicking accents and playing into stereotypes

Larry David’s mocking of everyone on Curb Your Enthusiasm which is very uncomfortable at times (as it’s meant to be)

JC has not been cancelled. His show is still up there.

Equally, people are allowed to express that they find him to be annoying, not funny, distasteful and in-sighting of racial hatred. Or all four 🤷🏻‍♀️

HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 07/02/2022 19:31

Inciting!

lljkk · 07/02/2022 19:43

tbh, I feel that JC is only echoing a widely held prejudice -- he's challenging you all to admit to it (or not).

The problem isn't what JC said -- the problem is that lots of people feel comfortable with having the same prejudice. His stooges, etc.

Hadharra · 07/02/2022 19:58

@VodselForDinner

I really hope Rachel Riley will stop working with him on Cats Does Countdown.

Holocaust jokes are not funny.

Someone makes a joke about the holocaust and it's down to a Jewish woman to fix it? Ffs leave her alone.

ancientgran · 07/02/2022 20:01

[quote DGRossetti]^@DGRossetti Horrible that your wife was subjected to that. How would you have felt if the comedians had been making fun of her situation?^

If you want to hear some jokes that make Jimmy Carr look like an advert for the Woke Society, let DW riff a few jokes at you involving some very retro words (that anyone over 50 will recognise from everyday life in the 70s ...). The only thing that really offends her is people taking offence on her behalf. It's bad enough when they treat you like a subhuman to your face anyway ("Does she take sugar" being asked over her head).

Would that have been OK if the rest of the audience were having a laugh at the disabled woman being manhandled?

No danger of that. The venue made sure that happened well out of public view ...

Would that have been OK if other people thought it was funny?

OK with who ? Me ? DW ? Archbishop Makarios ?

Maybe the comedians wouldn't really be making fun of your wife, maybe they would be sending a message to the management.

Depends which comedians. I think Rosie Jones would have struggled to get in too ....[/quote]
Would you have been offended if your wife had been the subject of a "joke" about her disability? It is a simple question, just needs a yes or no.

CPL593H · 07/02/2022 20:17

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CPL593H · 07/02/2022 20:33

I've realised I have posted this on the wrong thread, there are 2 very similar ones going currently. Apologies, I haven't seen anything criticising travellers on this one and have asked for deletion.

SmellyOldOwls · 07/02/2022 22:10

Jimmy Carr has been making shocking jokes for years, why is this one any different as for Sandi Javid and Boris Johnson wading in, well they're the last people who should be moralising about someone making jokes when their policies are literally killing people every day. You want to talk about genocjde, look at our government.

Lifeslooser · 07/02/2022 22:21

I think it’s a challenging joke. It raises many levels of questions.
I wasn’t taught in school that anyone was killed other than the Jews, I had no idea about the other minorities murdered, that was never mentioned and no one seems to talk about anyone other than the Jews, so it did prove his third point when he explained about the joke afterwards.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 07/02/2022 22:35

@SmellyOldOwls

Jimmy Carr has been making shocking jokes for years, why is this one any different

as for Sandi Javid and Boris Johnson wading in, well they're the last people who should be moralising about someone making jokes when their policies are literally killing people every day. You want to talk about genocjde, look at our government.

I read this as Sandi Toksvig and was confused..

Thoosa · 07/02/2022 22:42

Would you have been offended if your wife had been the subject of a "joke" about her disability? It is a simple question, just needs a yes or no.

I don’t think @DGRossetti is going to answer but I’ve had the fun of being put in the freight lift too, more than once, generally with a big hue and cry and walkie talkie conversations about where the key is.

I’m bemused that PP sees this as an either/or dilemma. Can’t we disapprove of racist jokes and at the same time think disabled access should be dignified?

It smacks of whataboutery to respond to a Holocaust “joke” with “ah but my wife was put in a freight lift, so what’s worse?”

In fact I can’t even catch what the line of argument is supposed to be.

Thoosa · 07/02/2022 22:43

read this as Sandi Toksvig and was confused..

Me too.

I was thinking WEA? Killing? Secret Tory coalition maybe?

Glad I wasn’t the only one.

SmellyOldOwls · 07/02/2022 23:08

Bloody autocorrect

HaveringWavering · 08/02/2022 00:43

Carr is fully aware that travellers are an easy target and many people vilify them. So he wrote a joke that makes fun of these people. Y'know - the racist ones. The ones who say "I'm not racist but travellers do deserve to be looked down on."

@Stevenage689 I really don’t understand why so few people get this. Post after post after post saying that the joke is “punching down”, normalising hatred towards Roma, a vile slur etc etc. His entire point is that making comments like this should be unacceptable but sadly is not! And nobody in his audience was going to take the joke at face value given the context; the laugh you hear is the audience joining with him in his pillorying of those who would say “it’s great that Hitler killed so many gypsies”.