Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Confused about the price cap and energy consumption. Here's the thread for the physics and the maths to help you

218 replies

cakeorwine · 03/02/2022 19:47

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people asking about their energy bills.

So a few basics here - and then I am sure people can add their own.

The price cap is an average expectation of what a household will pay. It's based on typical consumption and can vary between areas.

There is a daily standing charge and a cost per kilowatt hour.

There are figures available on typical energy consumption in a house.

According to Ofgem, the average household in the UK has 2.4 people living in it, and uses 2,900 kWh of electricity and 12,000 kWh of gas respectively. This works out as an average of 242 kWh of electricity, and 1,000 kWh of gas, per month

Electric devices have a power rating - in watts.
Devices that need a lot of power have a high power rating.

If you use a 1000 watt device for 1 hour, you have used 1 KWH of power (1000 watt hours)

That's 1 unit - about 28 pence with the new rating.

If you use the same 1000 watt device for 1/2 hour, that's 0.5 KWH - 0.5 units.

So if you use a 100 watt device for 10 hours, that's also 1 KWH (as it's low power but for a longer time)

Heaters are high users as they are on for a long time. As are immersion heaters.

Gas is different - you need to use a formula to change the volume of gas used from cubic metres into kilowatt hours.

A Smart meter will give you an indication of when there is a high energy demand, but don't forget that a low power device on for a long time will end up using a lot of energy.

So it's the kilowatt hours you need to look at whenever you question your bill.

OP posts:
BocolateChiscuits · 08/02/2022 14:14

I got a smart meter in September, and mainly out of a load of climate anxiety got a bit too into it.

Also turns out my DH had one of those electricity monitor gadget thingies lurking in a cupboard.

Results are interesting. It's a bit like looking at your bank statement for the first time, and finally seeing where all the money you spend is actually going.

Turns out:

  • our normal 2.5hr 30 degree cycle on our washing machine uses about 3.5KWh, whereas the eco wash which is 40 degree and 5 hrs uses just 1.25KWh. No idea how Grin

  • we were using huge amounts of energy boiling too much water in the kettle, forgetting about it, and re-boiling it. Easily solved by boiling just the amount you need - it happens more quickly, so you can stand there while it does it and not forget about it too.

  • our 90s oven was using energy like no-one's business, plus it tended to need about double the time for any recipe. Luckily it died a couple of weeks ago, so I replaced it with one with a good energy rating.

  • the internet router doesn't burn that much, but we have it on all the time. I'm contemplating getting a timer plug to turn it off at night - but suspect the numbers will show it's not worth it (from a money saving, or carbon saving viewpoint).

So, if you haven't thought about it before, I reckon there will be savings to be made.

MissAngorian · 08/02/2022 14:52

Bizarrely, I seem to be using far more electricity in the night than in the day! Am on E7 heating. 25p per KW by day, 13p by night, but last month I used £69 in the day and £122 in the night. Makes zero sense to me as the night rate only kicks in after midnight. 🤷🏻‍♀️

cakeorwine · 08/02/2022 18:57

@HollowTalk

I've just had my bill and my KWh rate is just under 21p. How can I tell how much a 100w light bulb would use in an hour?
Depends if it's 100w bulb as has been mentioned, equivalent to 100 w (the old fashioned incandescent bulbs) that were hot to touch (as a lot of energy is wasted as heat) instead of going to lighting.
OP posts:

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

cakeorwine · 08/02/2022 19:13

@MissAngorian

Bizarrely, I seem to be using far more electricity in the night than in the day! Am on E7 heating. 25p per KW by day, 13p by night, but last month I used £69 in the day and £122 in the night. Makes zero sense to me as the night rate only kicks in after midnight. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Do you have some kind of electric storage heaters at all?
OP posts:
cakeorwine · 08/02/2022 19:22

@HollowTalk

Just make sure your current draw is 13 amps or less

Daft question, but how would I know that?

Household devices that you plug into a normal household socket will have a draw of 13 amps or less.

A plug has a fuse in of 13 amps or less - the higher the power, the higher the current.

Power = current x voltage

UK voltage is 230 v. So the maximum power of devices you normally plug in is 230 v x 13 amps = 2990 watts

That's why it's a really bad idea to plug in lots of high power devices into an extension lead or one of those multi plugs as you can easily overload it.

OP posts:
MissAngorian · 08/02/2022 19:38

@cakeorwine Well I've got economy 7 heaters. They're the new fangled ones you can temperature control on an electronic display. They are on in two of the rooms overnight, and they give out a boost at around 10pm and then again at 6.30 a.m.

dementedpixie · 08/02/2022 19:42

The tariff is economy 7. Is it storage heaters you have as they charge up overnight and then the heat is released during the day.

Jouleigh · 08/02/2022 19:42

I haven't RTFT but if you haven't already please could you recommend a power monitor?
I've looked and look and they can be confusing.
Thanks for starting this thread as well, very informative Thanks

MrsPear · 08/02/2022 20:23

I’m dreading the increase - our last bill we were congratulated by British Gas for using less gas and electric for the same quarter the year before but they still charged £60 more. Ive got to get strict. And get everyone on board. Thanks for this informative thread.

MissAngorian · 08/02/2022 20:33

@dementedpixie

The tariff is economy 7. Is it storage heaters you have as they charge up overnight and then the heat is released during the day.
God I'm clueless. I haven't got a hope. 😂
cakeorwine · 08/02/2022 21:05

@MrsPear

I’m dreading the increase - our last bill we were congratulated by British Gas for using less gas and electric for the same quarter the year before but they still charged £60 more. Ive got to get strict. And get everyone on board. Thanks for this informative thread.
The more information you have, the better decisions you make.

It's also interesting to think about 'payback time'. Some relatively cheap things in the house that save energy can payback their cost relatively quickly in energy saved and money saved.

A shower timer probably pays for itself very quickly if it's used correctly by people and respected when it tells you to stop showering Grin

OP posts:
Tdcp · 09/02/2022 20:44

My place of work has just passed on price increases to customers as their gas bill has increased by 150%... And it's not even April.

stairgates · 10/02/2022 10:56

Can I ask here or it may need another thread, but are the offers for solar panels any good at the moment or are there still bad things linked to them, not owning your roof etc

cakeorwine · 10/02/2022 18:31

@stairgates

Can I ask here or it may need another thread, but are the offers for solar panels any good at the moment or are there still bad things linked to them, not owning your roof etc
No idea about that. Sorry

I was listening to the radio today.
They were talking about Smart Meters and the potential for different electricity pricing during the day - as electricity costs vary during the day. If you set your Smart Meter for 1/2 hr readings, it can do that.

So good for charging your car overnight (or your home battery), more expensive in the evening.

OP posts:
Leftbutcameback · 11/02/2022 10:34

Most water companies will send you a shower timer for free! It’s pretty basic but useful

FourTeaFallOut · 11/02/2022 17:54

Unless it yells, "Jesus Christ, how long are you going to be in there? There are five people in the house, y'know...not just you. Every day. Man alive. I'm getting old out here waiting!" then I don't think an egg timer is going to cut it in this house.

cakeorwine · 11/02/2022 18:55

@FourTeaFallOut

Unless it yells, "Jesus Christ, how long are you going to be in there? There are five people in the house, y'know...not just you. Every day. Man alive. I'm getting old out here waiting!" then I don't think an egg timer is going to cut it in this house.
Now there's a business idea Grin
OP posts:
Choux · 12/02/2022 12:29

Am just checking the bulbs in the lights that are on all day when I work from home are LEDs. It doesn't actually say they are LEDs but they are 9w bulbs and pretty bright.

Am I right in thinking these must be LEDs?

dementedpixie · 12/02/2022 12:32

Sounds like they're energy saving bulbs if not LED

Choux · 12/02/2022 12:37

Really? They are from Tesco so I assumed they must be these which are LED:

www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/284606002?selectedUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcontent.api.tesco.com%2Fv2%2Fmedia%2Fghs%2F8900f6a3-1ea1-41b0-ba67-ee417edb6876%2Fsnapshotimagehandler_1419250867.jpeg%3Fh%3D540%26w%3D540

I might go to Tesco and see if those ones have the same writing on them as mine.

cakeorwine · 12/02/2022 12:44

@Choux

Am just checking the bulbs in the lights that are on all day when I work from home are LEDs. It doesn't actually say they are LEDs but they are 9w bulbs and pretty bright.

Am I right in thinking these must be LEDs?

9 watts is very good.

100 hours of usage is about 1 KWH.

28p

OP posts:
Choux · 12/02/2022 13:04

Thanks for confirming @cakeorwine.

There are two of them in the room I work in so on for 10 hrs when it's a grey day will be 5.6p. That's fine.

I have spotlights in the kitchen and bathroom. Each has three lights. I bought LED bulbs but in each room one of them flickers on LEDs so I currently have 1 halogen and 2 LEDs in each room. Any idea how much this would increase the running costs by? The bathroom lights are probably only on for 30 mins total per day but the kitchen lights are on for longer. I decided 6 months ago that getting an electrician to update the drivers would cost more than the energy saving of having the final LED bulb but I have no calcs for that.

dementedpixie · 12/02/2022 13:19

@Choux

Really? They are from Tesco so I assumed they must be these which are LED:

www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/284606002?selectedUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcontent.api.tesco.com%2Fv2%2Fmedia%2Fghs%2F8900f6a3-1ea1-41b0-ba67-ee417edb6876%2Fsnapshotimagehandler_1419250867.jpeg%3Fh%3D540%26w%3D540

I might go to Tesco and see if those ones have the same writing on them as mine.

I said they could be LED or other type of energy saving bulb
cakeorwine · 12/02/2022 13:22

@Choux

A smart meter is helpful. You can get a 'background' reading of your house and then turn things on to see how the energy usage goes up.

It looks like halogen light bulbs are on the way out

www.gov.uk/government/news/end-of-halogen-light-bulbs-spells-brighter-and-cleaner-future

OP posts:
Choux · 12/02/2022 13:24

@dementedpixie

Sounds like they're energy saving bulbs if not LED
Apologies! The 'if' changed the sentence meaning and I was speed reading!!!