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Confused about the price cap and energy consumption. Here's the thread for the physics and the maths to help you

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cakeorwine · 03/02/2022 19:47

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people asking about their energy bills.

So a few basics here - and then I am sure people can add their own.

The price cap is an average expectation of what a household will pay. It's based on typical consumption and can vary between areas.

There is a daily standing charge and a cost per kilowatt hour.

There are figures available on typical energy consumption in a house.

According to Ofgem, the average household in the UK has 2.4 people living in it, and uses 2,900 kWh of electricity and 12,000 kWh of gas respectively. This works out as an average of 242 kWh of electricity, and 1,000 kWh of gas, per month

Electric devices have a power rating - in watts.
Devices that need a lot of power have a high power rating.

If you use a 1000 watt device for 1 hour, you have used 1 KWH of power (1000 watt hours)

That's 1 unit - about 28 pence with the new rating.

If you use the same 1000 watt device for 1/2 hour, that's 0.5 KWH - 0.5 units.

So if you use a 100 watt device for 10 hours, that's also 1 KWH (as it's low power but for a longer time)

Heaters are high users as they are on for a long time. As are immersion heaters.

Gas is different - you need to use a formula to change the volume of gas used from cubic metres into kilowatt hours.

A Smart meter will give you an indication of when there is a high energy demand, but don't forget that a low power device on for a long time will end up using a lot of energy.

So it's the kilowatt hours you need to look at whenever you question your bill.

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MissOrganisedMe · 06/02/2022 19:39

@cakeorwine I've monitored it today.

We've used 21kwh today, 4kwh of that overnight?! I've ordered that gadget that you linked upthread and am planning to check all appliances over the next couple of days.

Washing machine and drier have been on today but bear in mind we'd used 20kwh yesterday, in 12 hours, once I'd clocked it.

There's definitely something going awry somewhere.

cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 19:46

There's definitely something going awry somewhere

Indeed.

Bear in mind you can only use that gadget on devices linked to a regular plug socket (so a 13 amp fuse). It won't be possible to do the higher power stuff - but that should be hard wired in anyway.

Do you have a list of electrical items in your house?
(including things like immersion heaters)

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MissOrganisedMe · 06/02/2022 19:58

I'll try and get a list going here:

Washing Machine
Tumble Drier
Upright freezer
Integrated dishwasher
Integrated under counter fridge
Integrated under counter freezer
Integrated microwave
Integrated oven
Electric hob
Television x 4
Xbox
Playstation
Gaming computer with monitor

They're the biggies I think but have the ancillary kitchen appliances like kettle, toaster, airfryer.

We have a gas combi boiler so don't think that will draw much and all our kitchen appliances have accessible plugs including the oven....perhaps not the hob but we haven't used that today.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

MissOrganisedMe · 06/02/2022 20:03

Oh we have an electric shower, not sure what the KW of that is. I can check.

DeckTheHallsWithGin · 06/02/2022 20:04

If we’ve all got gcse maths it ain’t rocket science but it’s wrong because them in charge have known for decades that this was coming so the alternative energy sources should also have been sorted out decades ago. It’s all blatant cronie ism

cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 20:05

There is an experiment just waiting to happen there.

4 KWH at night is a lot. That's kind of what DS and I use in a day on average..... (we are at the low end of the scale)

Have you got an electric shower at all?

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cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 20:06

@MissOrganisedMe

Oh we have an electric shower, not sure what the KW of that is. I can check.
Cross post

Take a look at the units used when that goes. They use a LOT of power - as they are about 8KW and are used for a long time.

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dementedpixie · 06/02/2022 20:11

Think its our shower and electric oven that drives up our electricity bill. 2 adults and 2 teens means lots of showers and the oven is used every day.

MissOrganisedMe · 06/02/2022 20:16

I'll definitely watch it. Although I think that that was barely on this morning. We had swimming 🤣 Like I said, the shower switch is constantly on but you said that wouldn't be much. I'm thinking the culprit is the upright freezer or those that are integrated as these are the only that are on all the time. How easy/difficult would it be for a neighbour to link into your supply? Am I crazy for thinking that? We're using the usage of two houses or more.

During the summer months we were averaging 14kwh per day but in the last 2 months were about 24/25kwh per day!

cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 20:19

4 people in a house.
Let's say 5 minutes per shower.

So 20 minutes (1 / 3 of an hour)

9 kilowatt shower. (picked for the maths)

That's 3 KWH per day. 90p under the new cap

90p per day * 365 = £328 per year.

Just for 4 showers of 5 minutes per day.

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HardbackWriter · 06/02/2022 20:20

@cakeorwine

But, it all gets more complicated if you are comparing heating say, one room with an electric heater rather than say, the whole house with gas

That's an interesting question.

I've seen debates on keeping radiators low in other rooms and using a heater in the lounge etc.

Does anyone have any further thoughts on this? Because DH and I have just been debating it - I WFH and I said I thought I should get an electric heater for the room I work in so I can otherwise turn off the heating, but he says that would make matters worse because I'd be using electricity not gas and electricity is more expensive.

I think in reflection the actual solution is that I should go around turning all the other radiators off each morning and then on before going to get the kids? But interested to hear thoughts.

cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 20:20

Am I crazy for thinking that? We're using the usage of two houses or more

Do you have a friendly electrician? They could do some exploring and it would probably recoup their charge quite quickly.

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PearPickingPorky · 06/02/2022 20:28

@MissOrganisedMe

I'll definitely watch it. Although I think that that was barely on this morning. We had swimming 🤣 Like I said, the shower switch is constantly on but you said that wouldn't be much. I'm thinking the culprit is the upright freezer or those that are integrated as these are the only that are on all the time. How easy/difficult would it be for a neighbour to link into your supply? Am I crazy for thinking that? We're using the usage of two houses or more.

During the summer months we were averaging 14kwh per day but in the last 2 months were about 24/25kwh per day!

Secret cannabis factory in the loft?!
Okla · 06/02/2022 20:41

Following to do some research on our appliances!

cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 20:43

@Okla

Following to do some research on our appliances!
Just as long as some people get more of an understanding of how they use electricity and gas in a house and it helps them understand their bills more, then this thread has done its job.

I do wonder how much energy is used by electric showers Grin

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MissOrganisedMe · 06/02/2022 20:57

@cakeorwine I think our shower is higher than that.

I'll keep track of progress here. I could use you wisdom!

herewegoagain92 · 06/02/2022 21:12

What temp should you set the water temp on the boiler? Or does it not matter? Also does leaving things on standby all the time cost much extra?

cakeorwine · 06/02/2022 21:53

@herewegoagain92

What temp should you set the water temp on the boiler? Or does it not matter? Also does leaving things on standby all the time cost much extra?
It matters. But I'll be honest and say that there are a lot of variables to take into account depending on how you use the water from the boiler and the type of boiler you have - I am sure someone else who knows more about boilers can answer.
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HollowTalk · 07/02/2022 13:54

I've just ordered one of those power meters. If I have more than one thing on an extension lead, can I plug the extension lead into the power meter and then into the wall?

cakeorwine · 07/02/2022 20:57

@HollowTalk

I've just ordered one of those power meters. If I have more than one thing on an extension lead, can I plug the extension lead into the power meter and then into the wall?
Yes.

It just measures the current flow and the voltage. This then tells you the power. Just make sure your current draw is 13 amps or less (which should be for extension leads anyway).

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HollowTalk · 08/02/2022 12:09

Just make sure your current draw is 13 amps or less

Daft question, but how would I know that?

HollowTalk · 08/02/2022 12:11

I've just had my bill and my KWh rate is just under 21p. How can I tell how much a 100w light bulb would use in an hour?

HollowTalk · 08/02/2022 12:29

Sorry, just worked it out, 2p per hour.

dementedpixie · 08/02/2022 12:34

Do you have actual 100W bulbs or are they LED 100W equivalent bulbs that use less energy?

garlictwist · 08/02/2022 13:17

I wfh and have really tried not to put the heating on and just wear lots of clothes but it's awful. Even if my body is warmish, my face is cold, my hands are blue and I keep having to put my feet a bowl of hot water so they don't lose circulation.

I am a very cold blooded person but I think I'd rather bankrupt myself and have the heating on than this.

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