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Confused about the price cap and energy consumption. Here's the thread for the physics and the maths to help you

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cakeorwine · 03/02/2022 19:47

I've seen a lot of threads on here with people asking about their energy bills.

So a few basics here - and then I am sure people can add their own.

The price cap is an average expectation of what a household will pay. It's based on typical consumption and can vary between areas.

There is a daily standing charge and a cost per kilowatt hour.

There are figures available on typical energy consumption in a house.

According to Ofgem, the average household in the UK has 2.4 people living in it, and uses 2,900 kWh of electricity and 12,000 kWh of gas respectively. This works out as an average of 242 kWh of electricity, and 1,000 kWh of gas, per month

Electric devices have a power rating - in watts.
Devices that need a lot of power have a high power rating.

If you use a 1000 watt device for 1 hour, you have used 1 KWH of power (1000 watt hours)

That's 1 unit - about 28 pence with the new rating.

If you use the same 1000 watt device for 1/2 hour, that's 0.5 KWH - 0.5 units.

So if you use a 100 watt device for 10 hours, that's also 1 KWH (as it's low power but for a longer time)

Heaters are high users as they are on for a long time. As are immersion heaters.

Gas is different - you need to use a formula to change the volume of gas used from cubic metres into kilowatt hours.

A Smart meter will give you an indication of when there is a high energy demand, but don't forget that a low power device on for a long time will end up using a lot of energy.

So it's the kilowatt hours you need to look at whenever you question your bill.

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FourTeaFallOut · 05/02/2022 23:23

My electricity usage is 7000kwh per annum - it's high because we have an electric car.

cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:25

If you aren't sure of the maths..just put this in Google

=120000.0737 + 2900 0.2834 + 365 0.45 + 365 0.27

Replace 12000 with your gas usage
2900 with your electricity usage

0.0737 = gas per KWH
0.2834 = elec per kwh
0.45 = elec per day
0.27 = gas per day

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Bunnyfuller · 05/02/2022 23:25

Following to learn, thanks

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MissOrganisedMe · 05/02/2022 23:25

I'm estimating 25,408kwh for gas and 8,862kwh for electricity.

Something has gone awry with our electric that I'll need to look at though. 2,554kwh for 6 months and 1,477kwh for the last two months. That's some increase.

Sureitwillbegrand · 05/02/2022 23:26

Wow - just checked my current gas unit price (2.7p) so a 250%ish increase when tariff runs out in July! Daily charge thankfully is the same.

cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:27

Looks like my formula got formatted

"=12000 0.0737 + 2900 0.2834 + 365 0.45 + 365 0.27"

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LizzieMacQueen · 05/02/2022 23:28

I use the spin cycle on my washing machine - once - after the main cycle is finished. Because I think it cuts the drying time but I wonder if the energy used in the spin is costing me extra ££ unnecessarily. What do you think @cakeorwine

And yes, unheated homes in cold wet climates will lead to damp and mould.

cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:30

@MissOrganisedMe

On those figures, under the price cap, you are looking at £4646!

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Haroweller · 05/02/2022 23:30

Does the Price Cap also apply to LPG.

LizzieMacQueen · 05/02/2022 23:30

@cakeorwine Did you use asterisks? They bold whatever lies between. Always interesting ready threads on A level results when the asterisks are employed.

MissOrganisedMe · 05/02/2022 23:31

@cakeorwine seriously?!

Ouch. We're bad then. My bill doesn't give an estimate. Just the estimates that I gave when we switched.

cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:32

@LizzieMacQueen

I use the spin cycle on my washing machine - once - after the main cycle is finished. Because I think it cuts the drying time but I wonder if the energy used in the spin is costing me extra ££ unnecessarily. What do you think *@cakeorwine*

And yes, unheated homes in cold wet climates will lead to damp and mould.

If it's a 2000 watt machine, then lets assume it runs for say 30 minutes at that power.

That's 1 KWH. Or 1 unit - which is 28 pence.

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cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:33

[quote MissOrganisedMe]@cakeorwine seriously?!

Ouch. We're bad then. My bill doesn't give an estimate. Just the estimates that I gave when we switched.[/quote]
I would really try and keep an eye on your meter readings. A spreadsheet is good.

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MissOrganisedMe · 05/02/2022 23:36

@cakeorwine I'm definitely going to.

This is so worrying. I took our meter reading this morning and we've used about 20kwh electricity in 12 hours. No washing machine, tumble drier or dishwasher - quiet day.

LizzieMacQueen · 05/02/2022 23:37

Thanks @cakeorwine It's only an 8 minute spin but I think it does make the clothes a little less wet = faster drying.

HollowTalk · 05/02/2022 23:39

I think I'll buy one of those things that you plug in. Can you plug the washing machine into it as well? I'm going to be quite interested to see how much electricity is being used by all these devices!

vinoandbrie · 05/02/2022 23:41

We pay £285 pcm at the moment, for gas and electricity. What on earth it will go up to I dread to think.

MissOrganisedMe · 05/02/2022 23:41

@hollowtalk I'm going to do the same. Do you plug it in for 1 cycle for your machine, 1 hour for fridge, freezer, tumble dryer, etc and multiply it up?

Sorry if that already been covered.

cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:42

I was slightly concerned about how much electricity I waste on MN Grin

Turns out my laptop only uses 12 watts of energy, So every hour on MN is only costing me 0.3 pence. But that all adds up! (I am ignoring the cost of having the internet router on)

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cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:44

@HollowTalk

I think I'll buy one of those things that you plug in. Can you plug the washing machine into it as well? I'm going to be quite interested to see how much electricity is being used by all these devices!
Yes.

You just plug it into the wall socket and then put the plug in. You can get them in loads of places.

You can see the voltage, current and power.

Power = current * voltage.

It's the power rating that's useful.

But I did use it when camping to make sure we didn't overload the campsite by drawing too much current

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cakeorwine · 05/02/2022 23:46

[quote MissOrganisedMe]@hollowtalk I'm going to do the same. Do you plug it in for 1 cycle for your machine, 1 hour for fridge, freezer, tumble dryer, etc and multiply it up?

Sorry if that already been covered.[/quote]
Just plug it in.

You don't need to know how long it is in for - although it will tell you how much energy in KWH you have used when it's plugged in for time.

It's the wattage you are looking for - but if you leave it plugged in, you will see how much energy has been used.

I used it on DS to discuss how much his PC fan was using. But it wasn't much at all.

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MissOrganisedMe · 05/02/2022 23:50

@cakeorwine something in our house is using lots of electricity. Would keeping the switch on for the electric shower use power even when it's not in use?

MissOrganisedMe · 05/02/2022 23:50

My husband is going to hate me!

MaryAndHerNet · 05/02/2022 23:52

@xXwhenwillitendXx

Suppose it's better to not have it in at all and just invest in thermals and blankets.
I have no heating and no hot water. I turned them off in 2019 and haven't had them on since.

This heating Vs eating isn't new for me.

Everytime i use the washer, it costs, so I keep it to a minimum.
Put of the 5 rooms in the house, we use 3, the others are closed and sealed.
We use duvets, scarves, hats and gloves.
Showering also costs, we aim for under 5 minutes 3 times a week.
Cooking costs can mount up, slow cookers are cheaper, electric hobs and ovens cost.more. sandwhiches and wraps work out cheaper.
This has been my life for a long time, my bill is still going to double and I don't know where else I can cut it.

HollowTalk · 05/02/2022 23:53

Daft question, but can you plug it into an extension lead?

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