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Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra Surrogacy

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MintyGreenDream · 22/01/2022 10:25

I'm usually open minded about these things but it appears that they've admitted that she doesn't have fertility issues but her schedule was too "hectic" to fit in conceiving a baby.Wtaf.
Sorry but this seems very wrong

Nick Jonas and Priyanka welcome baby girl 12 weeks early mol.im/a/10428475 via dailym.ai/android

Sorry for the dm article

  • [Title edited by MNHQ to say Nick Jonas, not Joe Jonas]
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Luredbyapomegranate · 22/01/2022 14:15

@MintyGreenDream

Yes I realise that but if they don't come forward and deny it then it must be factual.If that was me I'd want the actual truth to be known.
Why would they deny it / it’s no one else’s business, neither is surrogacy especially controversial in the US or India.

The likelihood is, given she’s 39, they do have some fertility issues.

You do need to apply a filter when reading the Mail.

Doyourememberthetime · 22/01/2022 14:15

@Im2022

Do you believe everything that you read in the daily mail then?? You have no idea if she has fertility issues. It’s not something people like to admit. Sure many people can conceive at her age and older. But doesn’t mean she can

TurquoiseBaubles · 22/01/2022 14:43

I don't think her having or not having fertility issues is anything to do with it. Whether she chose to use a surrogate out of laziness or desperation still doesn't (in my view) make it right.

Sonex · 22/01/2022 14:51

The fertility issue. Or not. Is a complete red herring. We are talking about renting a woman's body and buying a baby which I think you either believe is meh, fine or fundamentally (whatever context) wrong. For me it's the same as prostitution. Wrong. Humans and human bodies shouldnt be for sale.

Dreamstate · 22/01/2022 15:51

@TurquoiseBaubles

I don't think her having or not having fertility issues is anything to do with it. Whether she chose to use a surrogate out of laziness or desperation still doesn't (in my view) make it right.
So if it comes out for a fact she had fertility issues your saying its still not right she used a surrogate. So what should she do if she wants a child just accept she cant?
IronyFreeAnnie · 22/01/2022 15:55

@Soffit It is annoying that she is re-stigmatising infertility to avoid people knowing about it.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of surrogacy, it is not the job of one person to share their personal medical information with the world. Some people are comfortable sharing everything, others aren’t and no one should be forced to discuss their private business if they don’t want to. We have absolutely no idea what issues she may or may not have and the impact that they may have had on her.

MaChienEstUnDick · 22/01/2022 15:56

@socdem

I also have endless compassion for people struggling with organ failure. It doesn't mean I think they should be allowed to buy a kidney.

I wonder if you’ll be so certain when you or someone you love needs the sort of medical care that only money can buy.

Thanks for your good wishes @socdem, I am living that situation right now and I still don't think we should be able to harvest organs from poor people to buy our way out of it. Sheesh lady, there's real life people on here with real life crises who also manage to hold onto their principles.
TheCloudBotherer · 22/01/2022 15:57

@socdem

Assuming that you're in the UK- paying someone for a kidney is medical care which only money can buy ILLEGALLY. And for good reason.

I’m not going to disabuse you of your idealistic notions, but you clearly know nothing about private medicine in this country and how it’s financed.

There's nothing to disabuse me of. Paying someone for a kidney remains illegal in this country, no matter how many people get away with doing it.

For the record: "It's fine to buy a baby, because I can buy a kidney, because people break the law and buy kidneys all the time- so there!" Isn't quite the winning argument you seem to think it is.

Cheekypeach · 22/01/2022 16:04

So if it comes out for a fact she had fertility issues your saying its still not right she used a surrogate. So what should she do if she wants a child just accept she cant?

Well yes.

Or adopt, it’s not like they don’t have the funds to do so, and the USA adoption system is much faster than the one here.

TheCloudBotherer · 22/01/2022 16:07

So if it comes out for a fact she had fertility issues your saying its still not right she used a surrogate. So what should she do if she wants a child just accept she cant?
Yes.
It's unfair. Lots of things are unfair. The fact that adopted children- myself included- don't have birth parents willing or capable of looking after them seems quite unfair. Very unfair, actually.

But, for whatever I think of my own birth mother, at least she didn't sell me. And I have adopted parents who didn't commission for me to be separated from my mother. It doesn't seem like an especially high bar to limp over but it's more than any of the children born through commercial surrogacy have. Now that's unfair.

Dreamstate · 22/01/2022 16:35

@TheCloudBotherer

So if it comes out for a fact she had fertility issues your saying its still not right she used a surrogate. So what should she do if she wants a child just accept she cant? Yes. It's unfair. Lots of things are unfair. The fact that adopted children- myself included- don't have birth parents willing or capable of looking after them seems quite unfair. Very unfair, actually.

But, for whatever I think of my own birth mother, at least she didn't sell me. And I have adopted parents who didn't commission for me to be separated from my mother. It doesn't seem like an especially high bar to limp over but it's more than any of the children born through commercial surrogacy have. Now that's unfair.

Well I don't see surrogacy as someone seeking a baby. The baby is theirs essentially, if they are proving money to the woman carrying their baby so what. So long as how it's being done is mutually agreed and not taking advantage of I dont have a problem with it.

If and when we get a point when babies can be born in an arrival womb so this removes surrogacy are you going to sya thr same thing then? Would you consider that as a baby being sold?

If someone cannot carry a baby im not going to say well tough luck ger over it when their are means for them to have their own child.

TheWeeDonkey · 22/01/2022 16:47

Well they outsourced the conception, gestation and labour. What makes anyone think they're going to take time out of their busy schedule to raise it? That's what nanny's and wet nurses are for. Its just another photo opportunity for them just like every other baby brought by a celebrity.

Why do you think celebrities kids are so fucked up?

Fluffymule · 22/01/2022 16:51

I do wonder if children born via surrogacy have similar struggles that some adopted children have over their birth mother ‘giving them up’. Or ‘selling’ them in this case?

I know someone that, whilst very secure and happy in their relationship with their adoptive parents, has struggled as an adult at coming to terms with their birth parents placing them in care for adoption.

They sought out their birth parents in their 20’s, as many do I believe, looking for answers to their questions. But they can’t get past the question ‘why didn’t you love me enough to try harder’. It’s so sad for them as they are so conflicted over the need to understand why; alongside the guilt they feel for upsetting their adoptive parents too.

Will there be a generation of surrogate children, some of whom grow up struggling to understand how and why they were ‘sold’ as babies? What effect does such knowledge have on someones mental health and wellbeing?

Cheekypeach · 22/01/2022 16:52

@Fluffymule I believe it’s called a primal wound (correct me if I’m wrong) and is a well known phenomenon

Fluffymule · 22/01/2022 16:54

I wasn't aware of that term @Cheekypeach thank you.

BiscuitLover3678 · 22/01/2022 16:56

I am not surprised at all. No way she would compromise on her body.

BiscuitLover3678 · 22/01/2022 16:57

@Cheekypeach

So if it comes out for a fact she had fertility issues your saying its still not right she used a surrogate. So what should she do if she wants a child just accept she cant?

Well yes.

Or adopt, it’s not like they don’t have the funds to do so, and the USA adoption system is much faster than the one here.

Adoption isn’t for everyone and tbf, I’m not sure they would have the ability to properly care for an adopted child.
Cheekypeach · 22/01/2022 16:58

@BiscuitLover3678

I am not surprised at all. No way she would compromise on her body.
It’s so cold. I want a baby but I don’t want to grow and nourish them myself, feel their kicks, have them be part of me for 9 months, leave a lasting physical mark on me to show our connection.
Omicrone · 22/01/2022 17:00

Well I don't see surrogacy as someone seeking a baby. The baby is theirs essentially, if they are proving money to the woman carrying their baby so what. So long as how it's being done is mutually agreed and not taking advantage of I dont have a problem with it.

Would you say that about someone who was selling their blood for money? Why is selling blood and organs illegal? (Still no one has answered that question)

How do you ensure that no one is being taken advantage of? These celebs are offering a lot of money to buy these babies, some people might think the risks are worth taking if they need the money.

If and when we get a point when babies can be born in an arrival womb so this removes surrogacy are you going to sya thr same thing then? Would you consider that as a baby being sold?

Yes. These are human lives we are talking about here you know.

Also, I know from real life that a child can be given absolutely everything, all the love and material things that they could ever want, but the primal need to know where you came from can still fuck everything up. And this is with very normal and otherwise very well adjusted families.

Loopytiles · 22/01/2022 17:00

Unethical and should be illegal to buy a baby or pay a woman to gestate and give birth to a baby, whatever the would-be parents’ circumstances.

TheCloudBotherer · 22/01/2022 17:19

I know someone that, whilst very secure and happy in their relationship with their adoptive parents, has struggled as an adult at coming to terms with their birth parents placing them in care for adoption.

I can relate to this. My adoptive parents were great. I had a happy and comfortable childhood with them. The fact remains that my life did not begin with them. It began with a mother who had no interest in looking after me during the time I was in her care, despite competently looking after her other children. And that knowledge hurts. That it hurts is no reflection on the character or ability of my adoptive parents, but it is part of my life.

The idea that children- or people at all- can be moved around like toys for the convenience of adults and face no adverse effects is wholly erroneous.

I'm not sure many surrogacy commissioners or their cheerleaders would be successful at getting through the adoption process seeing as how determined they are to ignore this.

Im2022 · 22/01/2022 17:36

@socdem

The irony! Healthy and happy people right?

You know nothing about my health issues and what I had to go through to have children.
Most normal people don’t decide to jump for surrogacy because it’s actually vile.

And whoever said do I believe everything I read in the daily Mail: don’t actually read it and never read it there. But judging on this woman’s character and how she’s acted in the past, it’s believable.

Im2022 · 22/01/2022 17:38

I meant to say paying for surrogacy, like a business.

Beowulfthethird · 22/01/2022 17:45

do wonder if children born via surrogacy have similar struggles that some adopted children have over their birth mother ‘giving them up’. Or ‘selling’ them in this case?

Current research suggests not. If you were in the Surrogacy world (and also in adoption support groups) you would see there is no real comparison in the 'task' of processing adoption Vs Surrogacy. Adoptive parents are amazing. IPs are not challenged in the same way and just don't have the same work to do in any shape or form. That's not to say there is no processing to be done or there isn't a conversation to be had but a premise that the two are essentially the same will lead to wasted research as they just aren't, not for the parents or the children. Knowing that a kind lady (who you usually can see pictures of and know in the UK at least) grew you in her tummy because mum's was broken but she and dad desperately wanted you is SO different to a typical UK forced adoption, and also completely different to adoption of a baby from birth.

Greydove28 · 22/01/2022 17:51

In some cultures infertility is misunderstood and frowned upon. Perhaps this might be a reason?